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I agree, Trumpy.

It's supermarkets selling it off cheaper than bottled water that's the problem. Alcohol used to be expensive before they sold it in supermarkets.

Why I can get 8 cans of lager cheaper than a few litres of bottled water I'll never know.

warren zevon rip wrote:

> planeterotica wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately the problem of booze and domestic violence will
> > only get worse with more people now choosing to drink at home
> > because of the smoking ban and the cost of getting pissed in
> a
> > pub, at least down the pub the angry brigade had other
> > pissheads to brawl with whereas at home they only have their
> > family to take it out on.
>
> Mindless! You are saying it was OK before the ban because the
> pissheads beat up strangers rather than their family.
>
> If the law which states that no-one that is already pissed can
> get served was enforced in the same way as e.g. the
> anti-cannabis laws are. the pubs would never have had so much
> violence in the first place.
>
> Drinking at home may actually slow down intake as there is no
> artificial closing time, although measures tend to be bigger.

planeterotica wrote:

I never said it was ok Warren i merely pointed out that if more people are drinking at home then it follows that there will be more domestic violence, i hope im wrong but you get two kinds of drunks the happy type who wants to be everyones friend and the violent type who after a few drinks just wants to take their vengeance out on the nearest person, i will point out that being a drinker i was always the former but have fallen foul of the latter a few times, but you should never take kindness as a weakness !idontbelieveit!

You still can't blame the smoking ban. If someone can't go a few hours without a cigerette then that's the problem of the individual, now society's.

Not society's. [we so need an edit facility].

Sam Slater wrote:

> You still can't blame the smoking ban. If someone can't go a
> few hours without a cigerette then that's the problem of the
> individual, now society's.
>
planeterotica wrote:

There was a time when smoking was encouraged as it raised a lot of revenue for the goverment and it helped pay for a lot of the infrastructure here in the U.K. that we all now use, but now Biffo Brown has decided that we must all live longer so we can be squeezed even more to keep the likes of fat lumps of lard like him in a life of luxury.

[quote]There was a time when smoking was encouraged as it raised a lot of revenue for the goverment and it helped pay for a lot of the infrastructure here in the U.K.[/quote]

And those were the days when most people with smoking related illnesses were told there was nothing much to be done and were sent home to die. These days, the costs of medicine and cancer treatment is astronomical. If you get lung cancer, the amount of taxes you've paid over 40 years of buying cigerettes might get you a weeks worth of treatment.

[quote]Brown has decided that we must all live longer so we can be squeezed even more to keep the likes of fat lumps of lard like him in a life of luxury.[/quote]

That doesn't make sense. It would be in society's interests for people to die soon after retirement. That way the government wouldn't have to pay as many pensions for as long. If you live till your 90, you will cost society much more than if you died at 70.

Sam Slater wrote:

> [quote]There was a time when smoking was encouraged as it
> raised a lot of revenue for the goverment and it helped pay for
> a lot of the infrastructure here in the U.K.[/quote]
>
> And those were the days when most people with smoking related
> illnesses were told there was nothing much to be done and were
> sent home to die. These days, the costs of medicine and cancer
> treatment is astronomical. If you get lung cancer, the amount
> of taxes you've paid over 40 years of buying cigerettes might
> get you a weeks worth of treatment.
>
planeterotica wrote:

And yes as i previousley pointed out that the fags that those people including myself purchased raised a lot of revenue wich paid for the infrastructure that you now enjoy and take for granted, the cost of treatment has gone up because of inflation just as the cost of building homes, roads, bridges, railways and public buidings etc has all gone up which these taxes paid for in the past so dont knock old smokers because this country was built on tobacco tax.

Also you find that these small corner shops that years ago never sold alcohol are packed to the gunnel's with it now.

What we need is for fewer people (babies) to be born.

What I meant was a serious reduction in the birth rate over a sustained period of time - 25 years at least.