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Although I am completely baffled by the celeb status of the girl I have to say critics of her are a little harsh.

She's been with the guy since 16 and at a time when wife's of serial rapists even stick by their man because no matter how hard they try they still love them I think that side of anyones personal life should be left well alone.

I suspect most of the criticism is more the usual jealousy of what is termed celeb and its trappings after all lets be honest if we could spend the same types of money that she does on things we like we would do it.

andy. Jealousy doesn't come into it. Otherwise people would be slagging off Alan Sugar and people like him - he is many many times richer than this Coleen bimbo. I praise people like Alan Sugar and I slate people like her because she desrves it. To walk around with a 'look at me and look at what Ive achieved' vibe to her - when she has achieved nothing and done nothing. It's the audacity and arrogance of her and people like her that breeds dislike within people.

max_tranmere wrote:

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Exactly.

- Eric

[quote]I don't read tabloids and I do not frequent pubs.[/quote]

So you've only yourself to blame, then, for these daft theories.

[quote]Mental health authorities make the decision but they are heavily influenced by the persons rights, rather than the rights of those who they attack.[/quote]

Do they now? And how would you know, Alice? Sat on one of these 'panels' in the past? I'd hazard a guess that one of the first things they talk about, one of the first things they ask themselves is 'is this patient a danger to himself or the public?' Unlike most of the right-wing execution squad around here, most examiners don't want blood on their hands and so would take the aforementioned question very seriously - I'm sure of it.

If mistakes are made then you blame the examiners, not the people who thought up, and defend, human rights. If a plane crashes into a mountain, would you blame the pilot or the people who thought planes were a good idea? See my point?

I've never heard one medical panel exclaim that their hands were tied by 'namby pambies' when a released patient went on the rampage. They're medical professionals in psychiatry ffs! They're not going to have a 'namby pamby' advising them on who's fit to walk around in public. I'd have thought this so obvious that it wouldn't need to be said.

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True - but irrelevant. For the question still remains: Where would Colleen be without Rooney?[/quote]

How can the truth be irrelevant? What's irrelevant -if anything- is asking about Colleen's life, had she never met Rooney. I've not seen her school reports, know her IQ score or ambition levels. Maybe without the millionaire boyfriend she might have gone to Uni, be working as a nurse, gone into the armed forces or be in jail. It's all supposition and conjecture.

[quote]I'm equally sure that the trappings of the millionaire lifestyle very quickly made Colleen extremely aware of which side her bread's buttered and went a long way to making her much more forgiving when Wayne "played away"[/quote]

Maybe, Eric, but aren't decisions like this thought about with every couple? Weighing up one's gains against losses? Who gets the kids? How much will we lose/gain on the house? Will I be happier? etc, etc.... Haven't we all made a decision, or done something we'd rather not have done for our own gain? Again, if Rooney had never made it and played away, she still may have forgiven him so, again, it's all supposition and conjecture. Hell, you only have to watch Jeremy Kyle or Trisha to see idle blokes, without a penny to scratch their arse with, being forgiven greater sins.

[quote]but the shameless self-promotion and all the accompanying ostantatious, self-indulgent nonsense ARE down to her and her alone - egged on by the sycophantic media and millions of silly, giggly chav birds who want to "be Colleen".[/quote]

What would be acceptable for you? Her sit at home cleaning the kitchen? Is she any worse than your average business man who employs people on the lowest wage possible and lies to them about Christmas bonuses when he knows they're struggling with families and mortgages, just so he can spend Yuletide on his yacht in the Caribbean? Is Colleen any worse than some people who frequent these boards and pay naive 18 year old girls as little as possible to have their arseholes ripped out by some loon and then get told they're not getting travel expenses? Come on Eric....you and I probably walk past hundreds of people everyday who are greedier, more immoral, stupider people than Colleen. And by the way, I'm sure from all these magazine articles and book sales, Colleen's paying more taxes than a lot of the people that are slagging her off.

I'll never read her books, or watch any programmes she may host, but I'm not gonna slag the young lass off for doing something with her time, or having her own ambitions in life.

Sam Slater wrote:

Am I being presumptuous here? I mean, my thoughts that I'm laying down took me as long as it did to read your paragraphs, Alice, and on reflection they seem pretty sensible, obvious thoughts, culminating in a pretty common-sense theory on how these accidents happen and who's to blame.

So, if I can come to such a conclusion, so quickly and without effort, what went wrong with you?


A very cogent argument and a very definitive conclusion. Sam seems to have convinced nobody but himself with this one.

Alice, in short you're blaming libertarians -or 'namby pamby brigades- for the genuine mistakes of medical examiners. If a psychiatric examiner concludes a patient is unfit to be out on the streets, that examiner's professional opinion isn't undermined, or overruled by unqualified namby pambies. Ok? Get it?

Blaming the former for the latter's genuine mistakes is a daft thing to do. It really is that simple I'm afraid.

This isn't about you being liberal, or 'hard-line' but about you blaming the wrong people!

[quote]Sam seems to have convinced nobody but himself with this one.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I think you may be right.