Ben Kinsella: A racist murder?

[max_tranmere]

I remember one of the guys who killed the French students putting his hand in front of his face as he walked down the street. If CCTV helps then that is good. I haven't noticed crime rates hugely dropping though, correct me if I'm wrong but violent crime has been on the increase for many years. The existence of CCTV in the case of Ben Kinsella may have helped catch the scum who did it though and that is a good thing. // Someone said above that in the USA these three guys would have got 99 years. I would love to know why we don't have the same length of sentences here.

[randyandy]

Violent crime has been on the increase for many years (although many chose to say it isn't based on massaged figures) and the reason for it is because as I said people don't give a fuck.

Why don't we have 99 year sentences? Lots of reasons to many to list but in a name Shami Chakrabarti!

[davey]

the vast majority of the victims of these scum were white yet not a single one of these crimes were classed as racially motivated.why not?

this is taken form the website of Hertfordshire police


The police use the following definition when recording a racist incident:

"A racist incident is any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person".

so if ANYONE percieves the killing of a white youth by 3 black youths as racist the police have to record it as a racist crime


it seems in this country you can only be racist if you are white and you cannot be the victim of a racist crime if you are white.Most strange

[max_tranmere]

I saw a retired solicitor on TV a short while ago who had handled many big cases over many decades. She said that in her opinion anyone who does more than 10 years in prison is ruined by it and they will never be the same person again that they were before they went in. She said if you are deeply religious, or if you have a political ideal that you have been jailed for, you can handle spending decades in prison and come out the same as you went in. Other than either of those two things applying, then you are basically f**ked if you do more than 10 years in the can. These 3 pieces of shit who killed Ben Kinsella have to do at least 19 years before they could be considered for parole, therefore their lives are ruined. And I'm glad their lives are ruined. It will almost be cruel to release them because they will struggle so much on the outside. I think the death penalty should be brought back for scum like these 3 and also for those guys involved in killing the French students in South London recently.

[davey]

so this bloke reckons it wasnt a racist murder just that blacks are more violent then whites and whites are usually the victims.oh well thats alright then.but dont dare repeat this because its racist to say it

[max_tranmere]

Davey, very interesting article. I'm amazed the guy who wrote it had the guts to do so. Everything he says is true.

[max_tranmere]

Reggie, read what I said earlier. It doesnt matter if it actually WAS a racist murder, it only matters whether it is REGARDED as being so. That makes it a racist murder! That is how our society operates. Therefore if three white guys murdered a black guy in London, and they were genuinely just looking to bump-off ANYBODY, and it just so happened the victim was black, it would BE a racist murder STILL because everyone would view it as such and that is all that is needed for it to then be logged as such, and to be viewed by the media, the police, and bleeding-hearts brigade, as being such. So why is it not viewed that way also when it is three black guys killing a white guy? Even if these guys would just have happily bumped-off a black guy as a white guy that night it should still be instantly viewed as being racial because the other way around it would be. As I said above, all I ask for is a level playingfield.