So what do you lot make of this then?

[David Johnson]

Thank you for proving my point about your inevitable crude, silly, insulting post

Now in the absence of you clearly having anything better to do, run along and find another feud to have or you could use your existing feuds or people you clearly detest on this board - hiwatt, nikonman, glamourchicks, pd, paul taylor, bensonmedia (not sure if you are having a feud with bensonmedia the post got edited by the mods), neiluk, purestorm, top totty, stormchild69, college of porn and last but not least, anybody who BSH thinks doesnt come up to his standards of "professionalism".

Please note this is an abbreviated list as a result of the onset of boredom on my part.

I apologise for goading you. It is really as easy as taking sweets from a child. You put a stick through the cage and you get lots of silly growling and woof woofing coming back. Very juvenile, I know, but somehow satisfying!

Bye for now

David

[randyandy]

No matter how much I despise the BNP I can't help thinking it's a sad day if the law has to be used to remove them just because they have been elected.

The rules to join have been in place since it was formed and as such it could and more importantly should have been smashed then.

It was a political failure that got them elected and it should be a political voice that kicks them out.

When you consider who the Conservatives have aligned themselves to in Europe I also think them making any noise about it is a joke.

[one eyed jack]

David, I respect your opinion and fervour with regards this issue and I am well aware of the BNPs manifesto.

Like Nazi Germany, not all Germans were out and out racists who agreed with what Hitler did. It was the core percentage who were ardent supporters made up by a large part of the disgruntled Germans who were poor and probbaly felt like second class citizens due to the influence of the jewish community which were seen as successful (this can also read jealousy too but thats my opinion)..and the rest were just sheep who were happyot be on the right side of the fence when Kristalnacht came around.

I bring this up because this is exactlythe same sort of thing that is going on but banning something because we dont agree with it doesnt make it right.

They are going for a civilised tactic by not playingon the race hate, hence the name change. To me they will always be the NF. A tiger dont change its stripes. it just had a few smarter members who ecided to put a more intellectual spin on it and appeal to the patriotic spirit of british people.

Let them vent their spleen is what i say. Yes it is alarming that they have got such huge support but I htink this is necessary for the rest of us who are sleeping on this issue to notice there is a serious problem that neds to be addressed.

For many years they have largely ben opposed and frowned upon. Now we see people who would have vote Labour saying they are fed up with what is going on and making testimonials to their decisions by talking about it on national tv.

Why are these people so desperate to see change that they want to support the BNP. I dont beleive every BNP supporter is an inherent racist...maybe they are now simply because of the situations they are in and I'm just saying it takes something like this for people to sit up and take notice.

Making this all about the BNP being racist is time wasting. How are we to appeal to those who suddenly crossed over that they have wasted their vote and could be part of something that will affect the future of Britain for a long time.

I honestly cant see how the BNP will do anyhting good for the country. Even if tey kicked all the foreigners outof the country (which is never gonna happen) this country will realise what it has lost in its back bone that the hard working ethnics played a huge part in.

The fact this country has to bring in skilled labour because it is economical, because we rely on skilled personnel because our country cannot supply enough is testimony to the fact that british kids take their own educational institution for grantedwhich is why people from third world countries do better.

I know about the skilled people not getting the jobs that are indigenous to this country, but they are the exception.

In short I have considered all these points and more and still arrived at the same conclusion. the BNP have brought up a problem that needs to be addressed.

I would wager money on it that this country will never see a BNP government.

At least now we can see with our own eyes who is supporting them at least.

[one eyed jack]

Hey guys...we can have a discussion here without turning it into a personal attack on each other ok?

Lets stick to specifics. David said he didnt understand and that was a fair comment.

The moment we descend into personal attacks we will lose the momentum of the actual topic itself.

Racism is always a topic that raises temperatures as everyone gets defensive and goes on the offensive.

The real art to solving problems is listening and trying to understand your fellow man and how you can reach some kind of compromise that you can both live with.

If the BNP have their way, you wont ever have this choice.

[David Johnson]

Hi OEJ/BSH

OEJ thanks for your sensible post here. I agree with the gist of your post.

I guess I have a problem with verbal bullies. I have posted on here over a lot of years and I have been critical of 3 people who were either inadvertently or on purpose, bullying others on the forum.

These people are:
SimonD when he posted about how awful boob jobs were and he inadvertently deeply insulted a model I had worked with for reasons I am not going to go in. This was a pity because otherwise SimonD comes across as a really good guy.

Hiwatt because he was trying to bully people with his general approach to model contracts.

Be Seen here because he is an extremely offensive verbal bully who insults all and sundry - hiwatt, nikonman, glamourchicks, pd, paul taylor, bensonmedia (not sure if he had a feud with bensonmedia the post got edited by the mods), neiluk, purestorm, top totty, stormchild69, college of porn and last but not least, anybody who BSH thinks doesnt come up to his standards of "professionalism". Even a post entitled "Plea for Peace from Nikonman" yesterday on the subject of not slagging other people off was met by a volley of abuse from Be Seen Here which led to the post being deleted by the moderators. A more mild mannered poster than Nikonman it is difficult to imagine.

All my other posts have been pretty positive over the umpteen years I have posted here.

I suspect the general view would be BSH is just another angry Internet bloke, dont get involved in an argument with him because he will just spend all day on the forum, ignoring or not understanding what you say in order to continue to be insulting.

However, in short, it is best not to turn the other cheek to bullies. So rightly or wrongly I tend to respond in kind to BSH when he posts insulting stuff.

Cheers

David

[David Johnson]

Of course, I am not admitting "defeat". Can't you get it into your head that this should be a discussion not a war!

My view is that the BNP should be judged an illegal organisation in that it implicitly preaches race hatred via its constitution and its utterances. You take a different view i.e. they would just be driven underground if banned. You are entitled to your view. I happen to believe that it is wrong. If there is something you believe is illegal than it should be banned whether it drives people underground or not. By banning it you take away the scraps of credibility it has developed by playing down the racist element in public and concentrating on supporting the British as if black and brown coloured people could never be British!

In my view it is unfortunate that the BNP has been allowed to peddle race hatred for so long and disguise it with the more moderate public persona of Nick Griffin that they have grown in strength.

As I say, you are entitled to your view, I choose not to agree with it for the above reason. Nothing you could say will make me change my view. But thats democracy for you, Mr BSH.

For reasons for my rather vehement replies to you when you post gratuitous insults to me or others, see my reply to OEJ

Ta
David

[David Johnson]

lol. Read my other post. Lost an argument? No, I simply disagree with you.