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The dark arts are for me . I am very dedicated to black energy . If you make black magick it does not mean that you are evil . If you are a bad person than you make magick you will do evil things . It is about freedom und about getting what you want yourself .

Maybe you could summon up a spell to learn you how to spell 'magic' properly. I'd start there before you go whizzing around on a broom and making poison apples.

[quote]So because a few of us experienced something we can't explain we are liars ?[/quote]

Tell me where I said that. I asked you if it's more likely some people lie or that people constantly contact and have conversations with the undead. Go on, tell me truthfully. Is it easier to lie or to contact the spirit world? And lying was only one of the alternatives I gave. I did mention you getting carried away with the moment so I in no way called you a liar. I just pointed out two more likely explanations that would rationalise your story.

[quote]The supernatural seemed to explain the experience.[/quote]

It did? How much thought did you give it? Are you 100% sure you didn't just jump to the first conclusion that you wanted to believe? It's much more of an exciting anecdote around a dinner table -depending on your company- to talk about being shit scared when contacting the underworld than it is to say 'we made it up', or 'we were taken in by our own high emotions.' Don't we all come across silly things everyday that we can't explain but refrain from blaming spirits? My keys were on top of the microwave the other day and I'm 100% sure I put them on the table! Since I cannot possibly be mistaken a goblin/ghost/pink fucking unicorn must have moved them! You get my point?

[quote]It may be incredible to you but not to many people[/quote]

Yes, I know. We all do, say and believe irrational things at some points in our lives. It says nothing about them being true though.

[quote]and I never said I could prove it but you have stated that you're sure science would conclude that it's bollocks all I'm asking is, show me the proof and name the scientists[/quote]

I'm pretty sure science has proved it's bollocks, and I'd point you to scientific test results if I could find some. Why am I sure? Well, if there was any truth to ouija wouldn't we be using them in some official sense? Why go to the doctor for that lump on your breast, or pain behind your eye? Why mess about with blood tests and MRI scans? Just ask mr ouija if you have cancerous tumours. Why spend billions every year on criminal forensics, lawyers and juries when we can just ask mr ouija if he raped that girl/she killed her hubby for the insurance money?

In fact, put your money where your mouth is if you believe in the power of the paranormal that much. Ask mr ouija for the lottery numbers for this weekend and post them on here. What? The spirits can't predict the future? Oh dear...I'll give you something from the past then: Ask the spirits what my great-grandmother's (my mum's mum's mum) maiden name was, where she was born and her occupation and post it on here (she's been dead a good while so I don't think there's any privacy concerns and you have my permission. What? Spirits don't do the past either? Oh dear.... Well, that just leaves the present, doesn't it? Ask them my credit card details and national insurance number. Again, you have my permission to post them here. I feel pretty confidant, baby.

Sam Slater "You mean that it's more likely that you all had contact with the supernatural rather than a few of you being carried away with the moment or just plain lying?" to me that means you are accusing me of being a liar.
As per usual you try to twist words. You seem to be keen on scientific facts but you cannot back up your own statements.
I also noticed your requests from the ouija board are all about beneficial things if I thought that good things would come of it I might try. Unfortunately the experience I had didn?t lead me to believe that whatever it was had much ?good? in mind. The experience was 30 years ago and I have no intention of trying any of that stuff again.
There are many things yet to be discovered does that mean they don?t exist?

[quote]Sam Slater "You mean that it's more likely that you all had contact with the supernatural rather than a few of you being carried away with the moment or just plain lying?" to me that means you are accusing me of being a liar.[/quote]

No, it means that I think it's more likely people lie rather than really contacting the spirit world. If you caught a burglar in your house and he said it wasn't his fault because a demon possessed his body and made him do it would you think it more likely the demon story was real or that he's lying?

If I were you I'd stop being paranoid. I've never called you a liar and not even implied it. In fact, on my third post to you I stated that I wasn't questioning your experience, only the supernatural cause. Now, I might question your integrity, or proneness to getting muddled up because in only a few exchanges with me you seem to have concluded that I've called you a liar, when in reality I have not. It's all there for your perusal. I will apologise wholeheartedly if you can find one statement where I called you a liar.

[quote]As per usual you try to twist words.[/quote]

Nope. I've took everything you said at face value. I've just stated my opinion on the paranormal and ouija boards, to which you have seemed to take offence to. I'm sorry but I think it's bollocks and told you in no uncertain terms why. I've even laid out a few simple instances where you could change my mind but you don't seem too eager to take up my challenges.

[quote]I also noticed your requests from the ouija board are all about beneficial things if I thought that good things would come of it I might try.[/quote]

Beneficial? I don't think having my national insurance number or credit card details published on a public forum would be beneficial in any way. Not to me, anyway. I can't see what anyone would get out of knowing what one of my great-grandmas did for a living, either.

[quote]Unfortunately the experience I had didn?t lead me to believe that whatever it was had much ?good? in mind.[/quote]

Like what? Can you tell us about this experience in detail? I'm willing to listen and maybe we can come to a reasonable, rational conclusion, together.

[quote]There are many things yet to be discovered does that mean they don?t exist?[/quote]

True, but in no way does not knowing about something, or failing to disprove anything give it more credibility. I've mentioned fairies and goblins for a reason: your ouija experience holds no more weight than fairies in my garden or goblins in my cellar. Anyone reading your little anecdote who gives it the slightest credence would have to hold my goblin story in the same light if they wanted to be consistent. There's no more evidence for one over the other and neither have been fully disproved.

I hope you let us all in on this experience you had 30 years ago. I'm not being sarcastic either. It really would be interesting to hear.

I'd suggest that the statement "You mean that it's more likely that you all had contact with the supernatural rather than a few of you being carried away with the moment or just plain lying?"means I either got carried away or I'm a liar. You weren't there and I was, therefore I am more of aware of the situation than you are. Since I did not get carried away that only leaves one other option.

Im never ironing a shirt again- just in case!

[quote]I'd suggest that the statement "You mean that it's more likely that you all had contact with the supernatural rather than a few of you being carried away with the moment or just plain lying?"means I either got carried away or I'm a liar.[/quote]

It wasn't a statement but a question - hence the question mark at the end. You've not answered any of the questions I asked. Well? Is lying more common and probable than paranormal dalliances or not?

[quote]Since I did not get carried away that only leaves one other option.[/quote]

No it doesn't. You could be mistaken. Mistaken about what you experienced or mistaken about how carried away you was. You could have been the recipient of a prank by one of your other friends........could be many things really. You're right, I wasn't there, which is why I asked you to explain to me what happened. I'm asking you to put out you're side of the story but you seem to be ducking that option. Why is that?