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One of the daftest comments I have ever read on this forum.

spudfacednipper wrote:


> Why?
>
> The factory workers are happy to exploit poorer workers abroad
> for their cheap plasma screens and so on.


Considering you're complaining to others about going in tangents, perhaps you should analyze this bit you posted. I don't think I gave any implication to suggest anything about the status quo regarding fairly made cheap plasma screens either.



> Either we have capitalism and supply and demand economics or we
> don't. The workers (unless they are socialist revolutionaries,
> of course) cannot complain about U2 benefiting from the fact
> that there is only one U2 while there the worker slose out
> because there are billions of potential factory workers.
>
We don't have capitalism. Never have had one to begin with.

The point was really not about doing better. As I said, I'm not a fan of some extreme forms of socialist thinking, as much as I am not a fan of purely capitalist thinking. "Better off" is a relative term, and that's welcomed in my little utopia I'm trying to talk about here
"Better off" doesn't mean a rock band is worth billions. It wasn't about affluence, it was about moderation if anything. This is all really beside the point anyway.



Capitalism most of all is defined by a free market. There is no such thing. Never has been, and probably never will be. Labour, profit and capital are in no way a "capitalist invention", and as such belong in almost every political or economical ideology you can think of.

Governments all around the world interfere with the market system internally and externally. A global trade mess where other countries pour in billions upon billions in various fields of agriculture and other production of goods to regulate and distort the market hardly makes up for a free market.

I guess you could say it's a recent invention, but profit really is essential for all buying/selling/bartering. Regardless of good exchanged and by whatever reasons aslong as it is without force, someone always feels they've made a profit. This has pretty much been the necessity for any trading, and it has existed as long as trading itself.

Be it barter or money, that part doesn't change. It's not very far down the road when things were bought with notes tied to metals in value. Money as such, is simply a convenience item (the fiat system doesn't really change that, it only changes the source of worth, if there is such a thing).