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Please explain how you've concluded that 'i'm not thinking' when I'm of the opinion punishing the poorest people of a country for the crimes of others is wrong.

The people you want to deny aid to are just as innocent as the victims of the pirates.... but I guess that never entered your little head, uh?

Quote: LMFAO! If you'd posted a day earlier I'd have suspected an April fool. Is this the same 'Sun' that printed a story about Cambridge University stripping Nick Griffin of his degree only to find the story was taken from the University's student rag, that it was an April fools joke, and that it was written by an A-level kid? Top quality journalism that!



Sam, you appear to be trying to confuse the issue. It would be obvious to any right thinking person that the story regarding Griffin was an April Fools joke, there are of course no grounds to strip the Cambridge Law degree from him.

Perhaps it was picked up by an inexperienced young journalist keen to get a story in to print. I feel sure however, that if the story had been published in the Guardian, you would yourself, have swallowed it hook line and sinker!

All of the above aside, the story regarding the Somali criminal gangs here in Britain only fills in some background story to what many people have already seen for themselves and is certainly not a joke!



Quote: And to some of you lot the poorer peoples of this world are nothing but a nuisance that shouldn't be given aid because some people within their societies are criminally inclined.

Personally, I disagree, I have no problem sending aid to the poor of other nations, I am not so keen to see the criminal elements of any nation being allowed into the UK.

Not confusing the issue at all. It was a fact about a paper you seem to hold in high regard. You're right, of course, in that if that piece was in the Guardian I would have taken it more seriously. Funny that. And the 'up-and-coming' journalist excuse doesn't wash. He, or she, doesn't have the final decision on what gets published.

[quote]Personally, I disagree, I have no problem sending aid to the poor of other nations,[/quote]

I didn't say that you personally had a problem with aid. I said 'some people on here'. I was confident of being right and porn historian has recently confirmed my guess.

You're confused, obviously. If Africa is a lost cause why did you start a thread and in your very first post say "i think withholding much needed aid to the country would prompt their government in to sorting this out."

If you think your plan will have an affect it cannot be a lost cause. Comprende? Put simply, you're saying 'There's no solution to Africa's problems but I have a solution!' An oxymoron as it were.

You also admit the aid is 'much needed'. I'm assuming from that that you admit that a lot of people inside Somalia are living in circumstances you can only imagine; hardship and sorrow on a scale you've never encountered yourself? And on top of all that hardship and sorrow you want to deny many good people medical, educational and nutritional aid because of some pirates who just happen to be the same nationality (or colour maybe?).

So is Africa a lost cause or not? You seemed very confident you had the perfect solution in your first post but then contradicted yourself further down the thread so that leads me to believe you're actually talking shiite.

Me? I'd pay whatever ransom they're asking for and then advice other rich westerners to stay away.

What I wouldn't do is punish the weakest, poorest and most uneducated people in that country for the crimes of others. Maybe you think punishing innocent people is ok. I don't. In this we differ. It's abhorrent.

Analogy time: A school has 1000 pupils and 10 of them happen to be persistent car thieves who the authorities just can't catch in the act. Do you close the whole school down and deny 990 other innocent kids and education because of the unruly 10? Of course not!

Not that any of this will change your opinion. Some just seem to see black people vs white people and want any action to stop this horrid 'insubordination'.

oil...That would undoubtedly focus the minds of the great/not so great,into doing something.....

I think the Royal Navy should deploy to the area and use it as a live firing area and if any fucking pirates get in the way, well fuck em!

"It is of course the 'British' way to only see good in people and to want to help, but when the hand is constantly bitten, it must be time to consider the facts and debate certain things without the fear of being branded racist."

Quite right. As I recall, the Iraqis clapped their hands gleefully every time they were bombed. But some of them actually shot at the British soldiers, can you believe it? Ungrateful sods!! Don't get me wrong though, I'm not racist, but these things need to be discussed.

Err, you are joking aren't you?

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