Twingo, I would like to invite you to my office, I promise you a trip into the future, every main studio is in this, the boxes have a EPG locked up to a server system so it is semi-controled, It will have 18R on it Dual Pin, the boxes have the new broadcom chipset same as WII and Playstation 3, I am an ISP I can tell you the box will work in 80% broadband conections in UK today. It streams at 600k, Big movies at 800k Hi def at start will be download but only till we get Microsoft to sign off a new plugin to Silverlight and VC1, then I can stream 1080P at 1200kbs. There is a mad race on with billions of investments from hundreds of companies like Microsoft. My bo is a ?30 install with a minimum ?10 per month, it works in any room in the house and will have around 900 channels on it (47 Indian alone) take a look at its only just winding up for the consumer launch right now and without trying it has pre-sold more than it can install. Twingo it does live to your TV using a remote control,, it looks and feels like TV no one watches porn on a PC because they want to, they also don't want to wait a day to get access to content either. This just looks like TV I have a pretty nice Hi-Def set-up you might say the best I am sure Terry thinks I am a bit OTT with it but I like my gaggets, I was watching some old Marcus Allen stuff today on it (upscaled we do that as well) it was blinding I forgot how raw that stuff was. Anyone wants to drop down just buzz me. Its Venus this weekend and I have 3 days of meetings, every porn company in the world wants a meet ??? why ? watch out for Vivid-Europes 40 channels.
Keep up the good work Terry I can tell you have been reading the brouchers
Jim (Phil McC)
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[quote]It will have 18R[/quote]
Whilst the people who get the material free, will be able to view the full version, completely unedited. Im guessing you have to play by the rules and i completely understand that.
But again it means i can get the movies elsewhere legitametly in DIVX/WMV format via download for maybe the same price, without any DRM bollox and at a signficantly higher quality.
[quote]I am an ISP I can tell you the box will work in 80% broadband conections in UK today[/quote]
When i mentioned the ISP's above, i mentioned the ones that count, not to sound condescending, but there the ones the majority of your customers will be using and so its at that point in the chain, that you rely most, if you are to relay a uninterrupted streamed solution. Considering VOIP already faces issue due to ISP's not being able to deliver a completely clean stream 100% of the time, i have no doubt that a bigger stream such as 500K and more, can simply not be delivered good enough for it to be transparent to the consumer. Perhaps when you have 10-100 clients......but not when your delivering it too thousands. Even youtube with more bandwidth and servers than you will be able to muster up, still has problems delivering a ~300Kbit stream to my browser 100% of the time and it will pause......the point of failure, my ISPs network.
[quote]It streams at 600k[/quote]
As an example, a trailer that i just downloaded from an XXX site streams at just over 1300k in WMV/VC1 for 360p resolution (less than dvd quality). Your going to deliver a quality stream at half that quality? DVD's use 4000-8000Kbit, most porn clips i watch nowdays are 1x00Kbit.
[quote]then I can stream 1080P at 1200kbs[/quote]
Be honest with your customers.
Sky Broadcast HD via AVC at approx 8Mbit+
HDDVD/Bluray send data via AVC/VC1 at approx 20Mbit+
You will send HD via VC1 at approx 1.2Mbit?
I mean if you can stream HD at that bitrate, then why dont you forget about IPTV and contact SKY and tell them how they can save all the costly and precious space on there broadcasts and allow them to get many more channels by using your compression.
Or contact the movie companies and tell them that there is no need for 30GB/50GB discs as your new compression can store it at 1GB per 2 hours of footage.
There is no way you can send a QUALITY 1080P signal at that bitrate, for anybody who doesnt understand, theres a reason why SKYHD is broadcast at 8Mbit+ and HDDVD/BluRay can hit 20Mbit+. There is no magical encoding you can do to get round it, it simply isnt doable using todays most advanced codecs, by delivering a 1080p stream at that resolution is insulting to anybody who views it
XXX trailers on british sites have more bandwidth than that, and there displaying there content in 360p not 1080p.
Wouldnt your customers feel cheated that they just watched a movie, which they paid for, which had at least 8x less quality that if they had watched it on SKY and maybe 20x less than if they had purchased the disc.
[quote]it looks and feels like TV no one watches porn on a PC because they want to, they also don't want to wait a day to get access to content either[/quote]
I agree, but theres so many possibilites now that nobody has to, there are plenty of standalones/ps3/xbox360/media center, which will all stream everything you have got straight to your TV, without any of the DRM bollox. As for having to wait a day or two, thats not true, most of the porn titles ive seen have been released on places days before its normal release and if its not, i dont really think customers are in that much of a rush to get the latest xxx fix. Hollywood Movies are different and there are reasons for that, such as wanting to watch it before spoilers/friends or just getting it to say they have it, so they can sell it at the bootsale on sunday, but them reason dont really apply to XXX content.
[quote]There is a mad race on with billions of investments from hundreds of companies like Microsoft.[/quote]
Do Virgin/BT part of these hundreds of companies, investing in an open IPTV system? They have there own interests to protect and IPTV from anybody else but themselves is something they REALLY DO NOT want on there networks and something that they will make sure FAILS for as long as possible. Sure stream to a few hundred, no problem, stream to few thousand...no chance.
I know we have had this conversation before and i know neither of us will budge on it. How are you going to tell customers not to use the internet whilst watching it? If your home alone, no problems, when you have kids/other half.......then what, because we all know what will happen if
- You have bittorrent running
- Your kid/other half/friend is using the webcam on messenger
- Playing an online game
- Sending an email attachment.
Your upload is going to be flooded and your IPTV is going to disappear from the TV very very quickly.
I know im negative and its because ive worked alongside Telecoms and otherbig media companies in my previous job, so i know all too well what happens there and how they protect themselves, but rest assured i wish you all the best in your endevours
Whilst the people who get the material free, will be able to view the full version, completely unedited. Im guessing you have to play by the rules and i completely understand that.
But again it means i can get the movies elsewhere legitametly in DIVX/WMV format via download for maybe the same price, without any DRM bollox and at a signficantly higher quality.
[quote]I am an ISP I can tell you the box will work in 80% broadband conections in UK today[/quote]
When i mentioned the ISP's above, i mentioned the ones that count, not to sound condescending, but there the ones the majority of your customers will be using and so its at that point in the chain, that you rely most, if you are to relay a uninterrupted streamed solution. Considering VOIP already faces issue due to ISP's not being able to deliver a completely clean stream 100% of the time, i have no doubt that a bigger stream such as 500K and more, can simply not be delivered good enough for it to be transparent to the consumer. Perhaps when you have 10-100 clients......but not when your delivering it too thousands. Even youtube with more bandwidth and servers than you will be able to muster up, still has problems delivering a ~300Kbit stream to my browser 100% of the time and it will pause......the point of failure, my ISPs network.
[quote]It streams at 600k[/quote]
As an example, a trailer that i just downloaded from an XXX site streams at just over 1300k in WMV/VC1 for 360p resolution (less than dvd quality). Your going to deliver a quality stream at half that quality? DVD's use 4000-8000Kbit, most porn clips i watch nowdays are 1x00Kbit.
[quote]then I can stream 1080P at 1200kbs[/quote]
Be honest with your customers.
Sky Broadcast HD via AVC at approx 8Mbit+
HDDVD/Bluray send data via AVC/VC1 at approx 20Mbit+
You will send HD via VC1 at approx 1.2Mbit?
I mean if you can stream HD at that bitrate, then why dont you forget about IPTV and contact SKY and tell them how they can save all the costly and precious space on there broadcasts and allow them to get many more channels by using your compression.
Or contact the movie companies and tell them that there is no need for 30GB/50GB discs as your new compression can store it at 1GB per 2 hours of footage.
There is no way you can send a QUALITY 1080P signal at that bitrate, for anybody who doesnt understand, theres a reason why SKYHD is broadcast at 8Mbit+ and HDDVD/BluRay can hit 20Mbit+. There is no magical encoding you can do to get round it, it simply isnt doable using todays most advanced codecs, by delivering a 1080p stream at that resolution is insulting to anybody who views it
XXX trailers on british sites have more bandwidth than that, and there displaying there content in 360p not 1080p.
Wouldnt your customers feel cheated that they just watched a movie, which they paid for, which had at least 8x less quality that if they had watched it on SKY and maybe 20x less than if they had purchased the disc.
[quote]it looks and feels like TV no one watches porn on a PC because they want to, they also don't want to wait a day to get access to content either[/quote]
I agree, but theres so many possibilites now that nobody has to, there are plenty of standalones/ps3/xbox360/media center, which will all stream everything you have got straight to your TV, without any of the DRM bollox. As for having to wait a day or two, thats not true, most of the porn titles ive seen have been released on places days before its normal release and if its not, i dont really think customers are in that much of a rush to get the latest xxx fix. Hollywood Movies are different and there are reasons for that, such as wanting to watch it before spoilers/friends or just getting it to say they have it, so they can sell it at the bootsale on sunday, but them reason dont really apply to XXX content.
[quote]There is a mad race on with billions of investments from hundreds of companies like Microsoft.[/quote]
Do Virgin/BT part of these hundreds of companies, investing in an open IPTV system? They have there own interests to protect and IPTV from anybody else but themselves is something they REALLY DO NOT want on there networks and something that they will make sure FAILS for as long as possible. Sure stream to a few hundred, no problem, stream to few thousand...no chance.
I know we have had this conversation before and i know neither of us will budge on it. How are you going to tell customers not to use the internet whilst watching it? If your home alone, no problems, when you have kids/other half.......then what, because we all know what will happen if
- You have bittorrent running
- Your kid/other half/friend is using the webcam on messenger
- Playing an online game
- Sending an email attachment.
Your upload is going to be flooded and your IPTV is going to disappear from the TV very very quickly.
I know im negative and its because ive worked alongside Telecoms and otherbig media companies in my previous job, so i know all too well what happens there and how they protect themselves, but rest assured i wish you all the best in your endevours
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Re: Lets Take On The Pirates
Thanks for that Twingo. i will take this under advisment. like BT used to say: Its good to talk.
Seriously though it was good to read your comments.
Seriously though it was good to read your comments.
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Hi Twingo, email me, I will give you my tel no. It comes down to technology mate. We are at the shap end. Yesterday I got the new vodaphone Hybrid 3g internet card for my laptop. 7mb Down. I am sure you will point out that it has down-side like the bit-rate goes up and down between 1mb and 6mb. But even that is amazing, I have the box running on it. I don't know if you are aware but SKY upscale on transmision. Our box from easter will upscale between box and TV. I have one already. its briliant quality. a standard DVD onto my 1080p looks brilliant close to hi-def and easy as good as a 720. I don't know if you are aware of the size of my operation, we handle 1% of all UK traffic, we have even been nominated for the 2008 streaming awards, we have delivered well over 20million streams since March. We also have the USA's biggest Chinese network on our platform which we stream out of Chicago,
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Re: Lets Take On The Pirates
one eyed jack wrote:
> Ned people arent ripping off porn for free because its
> overpriced. they're ripping it off because they can much in the
> same way a thief will see your car in the drive way and assume
> he can steal it becaue..well you dont own the street it is
> parked on do you?
>
> Even if you sold porn for ?5 on dvd...Oh shit sorry we do for
> abit less than that already and its still being ripped off.
You might sell to distributors for under a fiver but they don't sell to the consumer at that level, or anything like. It's too expensive for the punter and it's not the fault of people producing it but just down to having limited outlets. That's why I think the producers would be better off opening up the market through a court action (or trying to) than bunging cash into IPTV. If you could get a high street retailer interested in selling R18s and willing to be a part of a court case, it might finally crack the market open. I think the major chains did once express some interest in selling this stuff?
one eyed jack wrote:
> As for not being convinced about IPTV can you state your
> reasons please? I reckon I've heard them all by now and I'm
> still optimistic about its potential.
I hang around a few telly related forums and have done for a while. I've never seen any discussion of IPTV at all. The only place I've seen any mention or discussion of it is on here and not by punters. Is there any evidence at all that punters want it? I've not seen any.
> Ned people arent ripping off porn for free because its
> overpriced. they're ripping it off because they can much in the
> same way a thief will see your car in the drive way and assume
> he can steal it becaue..well you dont own the street it is
> parked on do you?
>
> Even if you sold porn for ?5 on dvd...Oh shit sorry we do for
> abit less than that already and its still being ripped off.
You might sell to distributors for under a fiver but they don't sell to the consumer at that level, or anything like. It's too expensive for the punter and it's not the fault of people producing it but just down to having limited outlets. That's why I think the producers would be better off opening up the market through a court action (or trying to) than bunging cash into IPTV. If you could get a high street retailer interested in selling R18s and willing to be a part of a court case, it might finally crack the market open. I think the major chains did once express some interest in selling this stuff?
one eyed jack wrote:
> As for not being convinced about IPTV can you state your
> reasons please? I reckon I've heard them all by now and I'm
> still optimistic about its potential.
I hang around a few telly related forums and have done for a while. I've never seen any discussion of IPTV at all. The only place I've seen any mention or discussion of it is on here and not by punters. Is there any evidence at all that punters want it? I've not seen any.
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Re: Lets Take On The Pirates
Ned wrote:
> one eyed jack wrote:
>
> > Ned people arent ripping off porn for free because its
> > overpriced. they're ripping it off because they can much in
> the
> > same way a thief will see your car in the drive way and
> assume
> > he can steal it becaue..well you dont own the street it is
> > parked on do you?
> >
> > Even if you sold porn for ?5 on dvd...Oh shit sorry we do for
> > abit less than that already and its still being ripped off.
>
> You might sell to distributors for under a fiver but they don't
> sell to the consumer at that level, or anything like. It's too
> expensive for the punter and it's not the fault of people
> producing it but just down to having limited outlets. That's
> why I think the producers would be better off opening up the
> market through a court action (or trying to) than bunging cash
> into IPTV. If you could get a high street retailer interested
> in selling R18s and willing to be a part of a court case, it
> might finally crack the market open. I think the major chains
> did once express some interest in selling this stuff?
>
planeterotica wrote:
Maybe it would be possible to bring a case against the British goverment in the European Courts as the only reason that R18s were made legal in the U.K. was to bring us in line with our partners on the continent, except of course that isnt happening because of the restrictions that the goverment has imposed on the sell of R18s means that most people cannot legally lay their hands on them which is why the pirates are cashing in.
There is also i believe a Human Rights issue here, because why should people be forced to travel sometimes long distances to a sex shop to purchase an item that is perfectly legal and even if you have a sex shop in your locality not everyone would wish to be seen in one, therefore this is a blatant violation of peoples Human Rights !sad!
> one eyed jack wrote:
>
> > Ned people arent ripping off porn for free because its
> > overpriced. they're ripping it off because they can much in
> the
> > same way a thief will see your car in the drive way and
> assume
> > he can steal it becaue..well you dont own the street it is
> > parked on do you?
> >
> > Even if you sold porn for ?5 on dvd...Oh shit sorry we do for
> > abit less than that already and its still being ripped off.
>
> You might sell to distributors for under a fiver but they don't
> sell to the consumer at that level, or anything like. It's too
> expensive for the punter and it's not the fault of people
> producing it but just down to having limited outlets. That's
> why I think the producers would be better off opening up the
> market through a court action (or trying to) than bunging cash
> into IPTV. If you could get a high street retailer interested
> in selling R18s and willing to be a part of a court case, it
> might finally crack the market open. I think the major chains
> did once express some interest in selling this stuff?
>
planeterotica wrote:
Maybe it would be possible to bring a case against the British goverment in the European Courts as the only reason that R18s were made legal in the U.K. was to bring us in line with our partners on the continent, except of course that isnt happening because of the restrictions that the goverment has imposed on the sell of R18s means that most people cannot legally lay their hands on them which is why the pirates are cashing in.
There is also i believe a Human Rights issue here, because why should people be forced to travel sometimes long distances to a sex shop to purchase an item that is perfectly legal and even if you have a sex shop in your locality not everyone would wish to be seen in one, therefore this is a blatant violation of peoples Human Rights !sad!
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Phil, i appreciate the discussion, even if it seems like im trying to put you down at each part, its not really my intention, however im trying to make sure that people are not having the wall pulled over there eyes.
[quote]I am sure you will point out that it has down-side like the bit-rate goes up and down between 1mb and 6mb.[/quote]
Its not so bad, i did testing it on sometime ago, its not really the issue as from a laptop point of view that bandwidth is incredible, however its latency it suffers from most and for some applications it just not possible, however, its fantastic considering what has been available. Price is an issue of course, but then thats no surprise.
[quote]I have the box running on it.[/quote]
The box isnt the issue, im sure its fantastic hardware, its trying to educate the consumer on how to handle the box from an internet usage point of view, best practices if you will, that will be the hard part. For it to be accepted as a viable alternative, it must provide the same transparency as cable/sattelite/tv, it must provide a safe secure billing method and must provide the same high quality image that is available today. If not then it will never gain tracation with any large number of people and will never be a success.
[quote]close to hi-def and easy as good as a 720[/quote]
To some people maybe, but if it were possible then HD broadcasts would be all but a joke, they might as well broadcast in 480p (DVD) and upscale with some sharpness/deblocking etc applied. Its not happening, although sky have upscaled some movies in the past a lot of there newer content is all 720p or greater
[quote]we have even been nominated for the 2008 streaming awards, we have delivered well over 20million streams since March.[/quote]
I applaud you for that, its a fantastic achievement. But how many of them were the same level of quality that Virgin/BT have broadcast, Delivering 20Million 0.6Megabit streams is completely different to 20Million 8Megabit streams.
[quote]Is there any evidence at all that punters want it? I've not seen any.
[/quote]
The biggest question is there any evidence that punters will pay for it (other than a few purchases at the start)? People are not going to change there spending habits based on IPTV and with music/cinema/beer/clothes/bills/etc etc, there not going to suddently start using what they have left on IPTV.
[quote]Ring me I would enjoy the chat[/quote]
Whilst i appreciate the gesture, im sure that you really have more important things to do, that babble about something, which im pretty sure you wont change my mind on.
Looking to the future, both Virgin/BT have there own closed IPTV systems. Lets say 5 years down the line. I want to watch something on this, why would i choose you as the provider over them. Because here is the benefis i see of choosing my ISP over you.
- Guaranteed bandwidth so that i can watch the movie immediately from the start with no hiccups, as its seperate from my home network, any usage bittorrent/emailing wont affect my viewing experience at all.
- High Bandwidth, High Quality movie.
- Wont count towards my traffic capping (if that is still around).
- Closed environment so that if i have a problem, i know exactly who to contact and dont have to fiddle around wondering if its my network/your network/peering/the box/etc etc etc
If i had a question......its how exactly are you going to compete with them?
[quote]I am sure you will point out that it has down-side like the bit-rate goes up and down between 1mb and 6mb.[/quote]
Its not so bad, i did testing it on sometime ago, its not really the issue as from a laptop point of view that bandwidth is incredible, however its latency it suffers from most and for some applications it just not possible, however, its fantastic considering what has been available. Price is an issue of course, but then thats no surprise.
[quote]I have the box running on it.[/quote]
The box isnt the issue, im sure its fantastic hardware, its trying to educate the consumer on how to handle the box from an internet usage point of view, best practices if you will, that will be the hard part. For it to be accepted as a viable alternative, it must provide the same transparency as cable/sattelite/tv, it must provide a safe secure billing method and must provide the same high quality image that is available today. If not then it will never gain tracation with any large number of people and will never be a success.
[quote]close to hi-def and easy as good as a 720[/quote]
To some people maybe, but if it were possible then HD broadcasts would be all but a joke, they might as well broadcast in 480p (DVD) and upscale with some sharpness/deblocking etc applied. Its not happening, although sky have upscaled some movies in the past a lot of there newer content is all 720p or greater
[quote]we have even been nominated for the 2008 streaming awards, we have delivered well over 20million streams since March.[/quote]
I applaud you for that, its a fantastic achievement. But how many of them were the same level of quality that Virgin/BT have broadcast, Delivering 20Million 0.6Megabit streams is completely different to 20Million 8Megabit streams.
[quote]Is there any evidence at all that punters want it? I've not seen any.
[/quote]
The biggest question is there any evidence that punters will pay for it (other than a few purchases at the start)? People are not going to change there spending habits based on IPTV and with music/cinema/beer/clothes/bills/etc etc, there not going to suddently start using what they have left on IPTV.
[quote]Ring me I would enjoy the chat[/quote]
Whilst i appreciate the gesture, im sure that you really have more important things to do, that babble about something, which im pretty sure you wont change my mind on.
Looking to the future, both Virgin/BT have there own closed IPTV systems. Lets say 5 years down the line. I want to watch something on this, why would i choose you as the provider over them. Because here is the benefis i see of choosing my ISP over you.
- Guaranteed bandwidth so that i can watch the movie immediately from the start with no hiccups, as its seperate from my home network, any usage bittorrent/emailing wont affect my viewing experience at all.
- High Bandwidth, High Quality movie.
- Wont count towards my traffic capping (if that is still around).
- Closed environment so that if i have a problem, i know exactly who to contact and dont have to fiddle around wondering if its my network/your network/peering/the box/etc etc etc
If i had a question......its how exactly are you going to compete with them?
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I am busy getting ready to go to Venus but here is a quicky, there is over 2 million Indians living in UK, I have 47 Indian channels sky has 4, I have Eros the Bolliwood movie company. I have 50 Indian call centre workers. Surely you see the route. Its 30quid instalion and ?10 per month minimum package. We have a new data centre getting kitted out in Crawley, 550 racks of 52U's. I sell broadband so if you are not happy with your ISP his service or his capping, switch to me. Our box has PVR and Free to view in it. your BBC ITV stuff comes through your arial and yes it will be upscaled to Hi-Def. The quality is amazing. Believe me we sell some of the best Hi-Def set-ups you can buy. Most consumers have bought Hi-Def 720's and they have not seen a hi-def picture on it. less than 1%. Today I was watching a new stress/health channel we are launching, it was trully amazing. Codecs are moving forward at a fast rate. We have a new live one from Microsoft next week. I seen it 2 months ago. It was streaming 450 k live and it was as good as 1500 less than a year ago. I have 25 years looking at waveform monitors I worked with Moser I only know quality. It was awsome. Its an amazing buzz right now being a part of this revolution, we were desribed as Punk TV, Just like punk rock did in the 70's we are rocking the very foundation of broadcast. This technology will not go away because the people want it. One last point I have a Content Managment System which allows new channel set-up and multi-sub channel creation, this all plays on TV/PC/WII/PS3 and just about anything with a screen.
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This is an hard subject to tackle & an even harder one to put into practice,
when we started years ago most of our films were pirated. Being new & unknown no-one cared & why should they, we put our phone number over all our films at the time & in a way the pirates made us an household name as we couldn't afford the advertising. People would ring us after buying a pirate asking for more which we were pleased to do so at the time we thought this was the norm, we went into R18 briefly only to find it was worse & we got ripped off more by the distributor. As Sam says in his post
the industry needs to be turned inside out because certain distributors/duplicating companies (they don't post on here) who for every 1000 discs they produce another 10,000 go to China / Europe etc and they work hand in hand with the pirates & the under the counter merchants so a lot of the piracy is from within. There are loads of honest distributors & duplicators but always ask & get advice first with the guys on this site before you commit yourself to anyone.
Download sites & the likes of Jim Deans IPTV seems the paths forward for us at present as we have 50 movies & nowhere to show them without the fear of being ripped off, DVD will be around for a few more years but like VHS it will go & with it the pirates as that market develops into an higher & & more secure media supply.
John
when we started years ago most of our films were pirated. Being new & unknown no-one cared & why should they, we put our phone number over all our films at the time & in a way the pirates made us an household name as we couldn't afford the advertising. People would ring us after buying a pirate asking for more which we were pleased to do so at the time we thought this was the norm, we went into R18 briefly only to find it was worse & we got ripped off more by the distributor. As Sam says in his post
the industry needs to be turned inside out because certain distributors/duplicating companies (they don't post on here) who for every 1000 discs they produce another 10,000 go to China / Europe etc and they work hand in hand with the pirates & the under the counter merchants so a lot of the piracy is from within. There are loads of honest distributors & duplicators but always ask & get advice first with the guys on this site before you commit yourself to anyone.
Download sites & the likes of Jim Deans IPTV seems the paths forward for us at present as we have 50 movies & nowhere to show them without the fear of being ripped off, DVD will be around for a few more years but like VHS it will go & with it the pirates as that market develops into an higher & & more secure media supply.
John
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Re: Lets Take On The Pirates
Excellent post Sam.
Sam Slater wrote:
> How about stopping filming for companies where the owner only
> books girls that will suck his cock on cue?
This cunt is one of the reasons why the industry is in such a dire situation.
Although I read that the current downturn is badly effecting sales at the mill - so there's some good news.
Sam Slater wrote:
> How about stopping filming for companies where the owner only
> books girls that will suck his cock on cue?
This cunt is one of the reasons why the industry is in such a dire situation.
Although I read that the current downturn is badly effecting sales at the mill - so there's some good news.