I am not siding with the pirates here, but their is one important point you all have to consider:
The average working man has a limited amount of disposable income every month, less and less as we go on thanks to to the "buy now, pay tomorrow" society. A couple of hundred quid (if he's lucky) does not stretch very far over a month when you consider this includes nights out, etc. Many people exist like this, these people DO NOT CARE about who owns the copywrite to the cd they are listening to or the dvd they are watching, they aren't bothered about having an original box on their shelves (*and this appilies particularly to porn which will hidden away somewhere in a plain cd case*) and they especially DO NOT WANT to relate to the "artists" or drectors of this product, who they perceive as having a far better lifestyle than they will ever have. You can have campaigns, run adverts all in vain, these facts will not change. Why spend ?25 on something you will watch now and then (when you fancy a wank) when you're mate can burn you a copy for a fiver?? And if they aren't prepared to buy chart cd's at a tenner a throw when they can buy a cd that plays the same (bugger the packaging, they AREN'T BOTHERED), they certainly won't be buying too many porn dvd's (R18 or not) at ?25-?35...
What to do about pirate copies
Re: What People Want
Renting Adult Dvd's can add to piracy not decrease it.
I have a mate in the states who rents Adult Dvd's, copies them and takes them back in the morning and watches them some weeks later.
Apparently according to him this happens alot.
I have a mate in the states who rents Adult Dvd's, copies them and takes them back in the morning and watches them some weeks later.
Apparently according to him this happens alot.
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Re: What to do about pirate copies
Unfortunately, while it's never going to vanish, people need to understand that pirates are not the consumer's friend. All they do is take other people's work and attempt to profit from it themselves. There should be no social acceptance of pirates and the Robin Hood myth should be banished forever as the total bullshit it is
The arguement that piracy harms no one because digital copies don't deprive anyone of income is total fallacy.
We need to work towards a society that views being a pirate as being on a par with a nonce.
Duff
The arguement that piracy harms no one because digital copies don't deprive anyone of income is total fallacy.
We need to work towards a society that views being a pirate as being on a par with a nonce.
Duff
Re: What to do about pirate copies
Not a chance of that happening is there?
Child abuse and dvd-copying on a par with each other????? To suggest this is ridiculous.
Everywhere you go in society there's someone or some group crying "foul" about something. Each group with it's own grievence, each clamouring for a new law. The politicians and lawyers love this, it keeps them in a job and us in our place.
Are we talking about the pirates here who copy and sell dvd's by the vanload, or one man, some friends and dvd writer, or both?
Banning dvd copying would not mean that you lot would sell thousand more copies of your films, other than the odd copy sold, people would just do without. Just like the guy who's cd collection is made up of copies, the person that has mainly copied dvd's would just do without (or just buy the odd one). The real consumers buy the PACKAGE and will continue to do so regardless. Just as I will continue to buy cd's cos I love collecting them and I love music, your porn punters will buy the real dvd's. Ever since the advent of the video player, the majority of males enjoy porn using cheap (and often poor quality) copies. This is the same now as it's always been.. porn may be more prevelent and available but it's up to your marketing to convince Randy Joe Public to part with his weekly beer money for 1 dvd.
"Home Taping is Killing Music and it's illegal"
Personally I think Simon Cowell is killing music, but that's by the by... the above statement was/is crap. I did loads of home taping in the 80's, did it kill music? No it did not... as soon as I was 13 I was doing 3 paper-rounds a night and spending it all on LP's/cd's and have spent many thousands since doing the same. My point? The saturation of copied dvd's is probably doing you more good than harm in that it is bringing a taboo, expensive product into people's lives. Some of these people will want more and start buying the real thing. Think about it....
The real pirates may be arseholes, but they would be anyway.
Child abuse and dvd-copying on a par with each other????? To suggest this is ridiculous.
Everywhere you go in society there's someone or some group crying "foul" about something. Each group with it's own grievence, each clamouring for a new law. The politicians and lawyers love this, it keeps them in a job and us in our place.
Are we talking about the pirates here who copy and sell dvd's by the vanload, or one man, some friends and dvd writer, or both?
Banning dvd copying would not mean that you lot would sell thousand more copies of your films, other than the odd copy sold, people would just do without. Just like the guy who's cd collection is made up of copies, the person that has mainly copied dvd's would just do without (or just buy the odd one). The real consumers buy the PACKAGE and will continue to do so regardless. Just as I will continue to buy cd's cos I love collecting them and I love music, your porn punters will buy the real dvd's. Ever since the advent of the video player, the majority of males enjoy porn using cheap (and often poor quality) copies. This is the same now as it's always been.. porn may be more prevelent and available but it's up to your marketing to convince Randy Joe Public to part with his weekly beer money for 1 dvd.
"Home Taping is Killing Music and it's illegal"
Personally I think Simon Cowell is killing music, but that's by the by... the above statement was/is crap. I did loads of home taping in the 80's, did it kill music? No it did not... as soon as I was 13 I was doing 3 paper-rounds a night and spending it all on LP's/cd's and have spent many thousands since doing the same. My point? The saturation of copied dvd's is probably doing you more good than harm in that it is bringing a taboo, expensive product into people's lives. Some of these people will want more and start buying the real thing. Think about it....
The real pirates may be arseholes, but they would be anyway.
www.credence.org
Re: What to do about pirate copies
Very Right Retrodon & EverHard and the thing is the pirate thing is about to explode! Just about to be launched is MP4 the film answer to MP3 and with that will come copying the like we have never seen and though I wished I could there is nothing I can do about it. We film 2 features a month 10 a year for Euro Sat and 10 for the dreaded UK R18 market. Problem is Sex View, plus. sext tv and all opperate out side current UK censorship laws so a bloke with a cheapo DVDR can hook in to the system and record all day long. Then if trading standards can be bothered they can't do nothing because it's an illegal broadcast which would result in a pirate being done for copying from a pirate, british law aint ready for this one as they would have to prossecute media sat first who would then counter sue for restriction of buisness. They could of course prossecute a pirate for tax ivation but they have to prove that tax ivation has taken place and all piraters deal in cash and cash must be marked to prove source but even then a pirater could claim the only customer he had was the sent in IR officer and before you know it ENTRAPMENT and the tax payer pays again. We had a local booter seeling our stuff and we tried and tried as much as we could but eventually we walked away with all the knowledge we now have.
Lets face it guys the average booter sells my DVDs on R format that he has copied for ?5 all day long and I sell my DVD5's to the adult shops for excactly the same money. The diffrence is you can buy the booters stuff at all hours of the day but my DVD5's have to be at places that are at best awkward and then you'll pay an extra ?10 on top for dodgy decor poor lighting and a bloke who last washed at birth.
All I'm saying is if I could leagaly sell you my stuff direct then Joe Public would pay ?5 for DVD5 and all the lost revenue would be back in the system and the booters would be forced to take up hair removal.
Think about it PLEASE
BXD
Lets face it guys the average booter sells my DVDs on R format that he has copied for ?5 all day long and I sell my DVD5's to the adult shops for excactly the same money. The diffrence is you can buy the booters stuff at all hours of the day but my DVD5's have to be at places that are at best awkward and then you'll pay an extra ?10 on top for dodgy decor poor lighting and a bloke who last washed at birth.
All I'm saying is if I could leagaly sell you my stuff direct then Joe Public would pay ?5 for DVD5 and all the lost revenue would be back in the system and the booters would be forced to take up hair removal.
Think about it PLEASE
BXD
Re: What People Want
Well it is copying them which isn't exactly legal and he does it as a cheap way of getting the real thing i.e. he has no intention of buying it for $30. Instead he rents it copies it and away he goes.
Re: What to do about pirate copies
Totally agree.
People on this forum don't go to work for free so why should they expect a director, producer to do the same.
Imagine someone on this forum was lets say a plumber and Ben (or whoever) got him to do some re wiring at his house. He'd be up in arms if Ben didn't pay him. So why should the sparky expect to get Ben's films for nothing.
People on this forum don't go to work for free so why should they expect a director, producer to do the same.
Imagine someone on this forum was lets say a plumber and Ben (or whoever) got him to do some re wiring at his house. He'd be up in arms if Ben didn't pay him. So why should the sparky expect to get Ben's films for nothing.