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Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:42 pm
by IdolDroog
i expect ur all city types so ill ignore ur ignorance but ur insinuations that our choice of location to live therefore determines if we are inbred or not is pretty insulting....thanks.....

Re: Country Bumpkins

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:53 pm
by Ace
If anyone reads Farmer Palmer in Viz, that is pretty much spot on with country farmers.
Now get orf moi laaaaaaaaaaaaand!!!

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:49 pm
by Wink Wink
What are these "loss of earnings" Fearon is going to sue for? Can't see him saying "Cos he shot me it's cost me XZY in income for the time I was injured". Unless he ment any earnings from any crime he may of committed during that time.

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:52 pm
by steve56
thought they were all unemployed and hard up the scum that tried to rob him

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:13 pm
by Holden MacGroyn
This is a tough one.

We've all at one point or another, said to friends, family or whoever is within earshot, that if someone broke into our house, we would kill them or break their legs etc whatever.
The rant usually continues with "Live by the gun..." or "They made their choice" or "If they're gonna be mug cunt enough to break into my house" etc.
Now I'll have to say, I agree with all of them.
I too have said exactly the same thing & have reacted with violence on the occasions that someone has taken a liberty on my property.

It's a dead point to say "he shot him in the back". So what?
In the panic, the adrenalin and the fact that the light is either shitty or a torch is being shone in your face, shit happens. In this case, Tony shot that pikey cunt in the back. Big deal.
"He was a child" so fucking what? At 16, you are many things, a child is not one of them.

Had they killed Tony Martin, then what?
6 months in Juvy hall? Then? A little Safari break to help the poor little cherub back into society?
Nobody would have given a fuck for Tony Martin.
Did he do wrong?
In the eyes of the law - yes. But in the eyes of every single person who has said "I'd kill anyone that broke into my house" - no.

Those 2 cunts had a criminal conviction as long as your arm apiece.
They had travelled from Nottingham to Norfolk, right?
That's kinda premedidated don't you think?
They knew where they were going and they knew it had an owner, otherwise, they could have done it as a daytime job. No need to hide in the shadows if you think it is empty.

Here's one for you.
Riddle me this. Did that Fearon cunt ever get sentenced for breaking and entering into Bleak House? Attempted burglary? Fuck the fact that he took a bullet, he still broke the law.
He got off with that totally.
He has not served shit for the offence, so don't bleat about points of law, when he got off with it.
"Oh but he got shot!" So what? By default. Getting shot isn't the punishment for breaking & entering is it.
"Poor little lamb got shot so we wont do him for the crime" - Then don't bitch about Tony Martin. Guy was defending his property.
Does Tony have a mental problem and did he do this before? Well thats redundant as we are talking about THIS case and the rights and wrongs of it.
If we can talk about Tony's previous, then lets get the rap sheet for the pikey cunt out.
Let's see what his previous victims have to say on this?
It's like a failed deliberation from a jury.
If he did wrong before, he should have been done.
Tony had an unlicensed firearm. Pump action right?
Well that brand is totall illegal to start with so the times he had used it should have been reported.
He shot at a car right? So why did the police fail to do him for it big style?
Riddle me that one?

At the end of the day, he had the courage of his convictions.
That pikey cunt wanted to sue him for loss of earnings!! Because he couldn't get his little pikey pecker up. Because he couldn't watch violent films. Because he couldn't do martial arts.
The cunt said all of this while serving time for a heroin offence!!
Gimme a break guys.
Had Tony killed him, this would not be the big thing that it is.

We have all said we would die to protect our own.
A guy broke into my house once. He tried to leg it away but I chased him and broke his left arm, 3 ribs, nose and 4 fingers.
I could have tripped him up and just waited for the police.
I'd have had to sit on him as anything else could have been used against me.
Even tripping him could have fucked me up, but the thing is, that in the moment, when you think your family is at threat and the switch is flicked, you lose it.
I broke him deliberately. Am I an evil cunt? Hardly. More of a case of "You fucking cunt. How dare you break into my house and walk by my family with a knife."
I'd rather put him out of action, than read about his next statistic.

When you feel at threat, you act in accordance with the emotion and not the associated word of the law.
Would you offer someone safe passage out of your house?
We see worse cases of brutality outside nightclubs.
It was the booze that did it, right?

As for should he profit.
Doesn't it go by, no...unless there is enough public interest. Well chaps, certainly looks like there is enough.

Why isn't anyone bleating on about that slag Archer who has made a sackload thru his time in prison?
Bit of a hypocritical state we live in.

Criminals are allowed to take you to court if you put up a struggle!
If we are living in such a fucked up legal state, then there is little else we can do.
We are fucked either way.


Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:21 pm
by steve56
iwas thinking reading all these posts,wat we need to sum it up is rumpole of the old bailey!!!

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:57 pm
by Wink Wink
Just as well we weren't the jury on the Martin case.........would of been a split one for sure!

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:01 pm
by steve56
well hung jury?

Re: Tony Martin

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:16 pm
by Holden MacGroyn
Stealing apples and petty shoplifting, I put into an altogether different basket Mags.
I don't have a problem with it on the same level as someone breaking into my house.
I was actually under the impression that he shot the guy inside Bleak House but the burglar managed to crawl out of the house and get a short distance away.

If as you say, Tony had given chase and shot him, then yes, it is a different story.
The emotion, adrenalin and rage that goes with it is still there, but the fight or flight on your property scenario is gone.

Had the guy I broke, been halfway up the road, I would have still given chase but I cannot say if I would have let him off lightly in comparison to what I did to him.

It's a bit harsh to try and make the comparison with scrumping for apples and shoplifting bro. Different type of crime altogether.
Neither of those gets your blood racing out of fear.
Neither will have your system overloading on adrenalin.
Neither causes such an adrenal dump that your leg shakes, your lips tremble, you feel scared shitless, you want to piss your pants, you want to cry, you want to crawl up into a little ball and pretend it's not happening.
I felt this way the night I broke the guy.
Fight or flight.
It's the psychological turmoil you go thru just because some cunt has dared to enter your space and piss all over it.
When they leave, it's you as the individual that's left feeling angry and hateful. More at yourself for not having done something about it.
This can cause stress and anger in your immediate relationships purely by default.
All this, because some light fingered cunt thinks they are above the law.
The only time I didn't do shit was when the family house was broken into when I was a kid.
The anger stayed with me for a long time and fuck all was done to help.
I'm not the first & I certainly wont be the last to have felt that way.

I cannot fault Tony Martin for doing what he did.
Right or wrong, I cannot blame him for lashing out in the way he did.
The police do fuck all as it is and criminals are back out on the street within hours.
A nonce can be back out before you;ve had time to blink, so these cunts are out before they are in.