Re: Tarantino's latest gem
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:53 pm
Straw man in para 1: you've assumed/implied (a) that the 'hammering' is to a degree non-consensual, and (b) that the domination is the thrill, rather than the sex act itself.
As to the second para, I don't necessarily exclude porn (or my and others' reaction to it), from the argument, except to stress that in visual media the sex 'perpetrated' is upon a (more or less) willing 'victim', which is almost never the case with violence. Leeanne is a poor example upon which to base a case, as in past discussions we've agreed that she was significantly damaged before her entry into the business: and I feel it's a safe assumption that the vast majority of porn actors enter, and eventually leave, the profession as functioning human beings.
Neither do I wish for represenations of violence to be banned: as you know, I abhor censorship per se, irrespective of its ultimate futility.
My complaint was more that the presentation and consumption of gratuitous violence as 'entertainment' is possibly damaging (or a symptom of damage already done) in or to a proportion of both purveyors and consumers: a cheap strategy for film-makers (press button 'A', get reaction 'B'), and also pretty juvenile.
I just wish as a species we'd grow up a bit.
As to the second para, I don't necessarily exclude porn (or my and others' reaction to it), from the argument, except to stress that in visual media the sex 'perpetrated' is upon a (more or less) willing 'victim', which is almost never the case with violence. Leeanne is a poor example upon which to base a case, as in past discussions we've agreed that she was significantly damaged before her entry into the business: and I feel it's a safe assumption that the vast majority of porn actors enter, and eventually leave, the profession as functioning human beings.
Neither do I wish for represenations of violence to be banned: as you know, I abhor censorship per se, irrespective of its ultimate futility.
My complaint was more that the presentation and consumption of gratuitous violence as 'entertainment' is possibly damaging (or a symptom of damage already done) in or to a proportion of both purveyors and consumers: a cheap strategy for film-makers (press button 'A', get reaction 'B'), and also pretty juvenile.
I just wish as a species we'd grow up a bit.