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Re: the boy in BFC...

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:03 pm
by Marblehead Johnson


OK, there are multiple issues here:-

1. The boy had a history of aggressive behaviour

2. His uncle left a loaded gun lying around - was any action taken against him?

3. The NRA lobbies to maintain the "right to bear arms".

Not one of these issues on their own would have been enough to get the girl killed in these circumstances. But your analogy of the car doesn't stack up because the primary purpose of owning a car isn't to kill something or defend yourself!!


Re: Fahreneheit 9/11

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:52 pm
by Illinoisblue
This is the anti-Moore piece by Christopher Hitchens from slate.


Re: Fahreneheit 9/11

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:16 pm
by Pervert
Documentary makers almost always have their own agenda and edit material to that end. Live with it, Bimmer. Or don't you think people are capable of telling the difference between fact and propaganda? Leni Riefenstahl may have claimed not to be a Nazi, or even a sympathiser, but Triumph Of The Will is a cinematic love song to the National Socialist movement. She was a brilliant film-maker, but was tainted by that one for the rest of her days.

Ken Loach started out with docudramas on TV, featuring unknowns giving performances that led the audience to believe they were seeing real life. Such things were going on, and he was interpreting those stories for his own political motives, for what he believed to be public good. He's still looked upon as an idealistic leftie over here, and yet much of his work has a documentary feel to it.

No one should be foolish enough to believe that a documentary maker is just recording the facts and editing the story in a fair and balanced way. The film will always say as much about the maker as it does about the subject. You don't like Moore, fine, don't watch his films. Moore doesn't like Bush, and this is his creative outlet to express that dislike. First Amendment covers this.

If people want to find out more about who is running the US and why, that is their choice. In spite of the freedom of information legislation in America, there are many things we are not allowed to know about, still less question. I hope to live long enough to find out what really happened with regards the Pan Am flight that crashed over Lockerbie---who planned and carried out the attack, who in the US intelligence community was aware of it, and what all those secret service types were doing in and around the town in the days following the atrocity. But I'll probably go to my grave still wondering.

People asking questions, and putting the heat on politicians, isn't bad. You can doubt Moore's veracity and integrity, but he is at least shining a light into some of the dark corners the Bush administration wants to pretend aren't there. For that, good on him.

Re: Link of F911review form your own paper!

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:23 pm
by Spook
So we can either take notice of a Telegraph journalist - or look at a broad spread of opinion on

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/

You can continue to post any negative reviews you want and carry on with your infantile comparisons to Goebbels.

Its always interesting seeing monomania in full effect - but other than that your diatribes are completely pointless.

Re: Fahreneheit 9/11

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:19 pm
by Pervert
His claims at Cannes, just like all the fuss over distribution, was for the sake of publicity---which he got in spades. If people are inspired by his film to enter into a debate, then good. He's been picked up for a few porkies, and will be picked up for more no doubt, but he's only a film-maker. There are huge gaps in the public records with regards your president; and there are serious doubts about his trustworthiness, integrity and intelligence. These issues have to be addressed and have to be answered. For that, Farenheit is at least providing a starting point.