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Bimmercat said "and feel compelled to dwell on hatred, jealousy and loathing. Foreigners look down their noses at me and feel sorry for me and my ilk."

You are the one who is always banging on about "hatred, jealousy and loathing". Rejoice in your paranoia.

Mart

people dont just criticse the American Government, I have heard Micheal Moore speaking and he pulls down most American People,"

He is an American - he is entitled to say what he likes. He "pulls down" some American people - in the same way that the boards here criticise chav culture in the UK - but those posters are not anti-British. I apologise to the world for British lager-lout holiday makers, football hooligans and the fact that we've got a terrible prime minister - care to accuse me of being anti-British?

How much of this so called idiosm spreads to the people he is speaking to, all those thousands of students listening to Moore intently all now harbour Anti American Feeling, that will spread all over the Universities, Universities are supposed to be the place for our future, yet they embrace and encourage people like Moore, not a good sign for the future. These newspaper editors and directors of programmes who spew out negativity about many cultures went to university, and where fed similare propoganda that Moore is spewing out, a new generation of spoon fed individuals who will climb to the top of thier professions, whether it be Doctor, Politician, newspaper editor, all remembering Moore's words. and acting on them. Professional idiots who can inform and educate the masses to thier philosophy.

Entente Cordial celebrations were set up to settle long running disputes over areas of the globe foreign disputes nothing about cultural binding, holiday makers go to these celebrations. Just look at the body language of the the Prime minister and Chirac, chilly at best if this is the best device for making up cultural differences then I dread.

I am not Anti France but lets stop pretending, countries hate eachother,"

Absolute garbage - a country can't hate - and only a terminally dimwitted individual can hate an entire country.


Then there are millions of terminally dimwitted individuals in each country, your sentiments are commendable but in the real world most people are out for themselves and that includes thier own culture sounds bleak but after studying the media and thier output its pepperd with hatred and mistrust for other cultures, millions of newspapers sold daily, ask some people who read the paper and they can see it for what it is titilation but what of the millions of other people who believe what they read.

"Name me a country where the govt. is NOT utter shite."

I can't think of any democratic government that is utter shite - but its still entirely valid to criticise any government if you disagree with it and no government will get anywhere near perfection.

But given that life under democratic government - with all its tax, civil service and regulations - is so good, it seems peculiar to suggest that it is the presence of a pervasive government that is the cause of all the problems.

"all those thousands of students listening to Moore intently all now harbour Anti American Feeling,"

He is not anti-American, he's anti-Bush.

"Politician, newspaper editor, all remembering Moore's words. and acting on them. Professional idiots who can inform and educate the masses to thier philosophy."

Or - as Moore sees it - people raised under a Bush government spreading fear and negativity.

"nothing about cultural binding"

I really don't understand what you are talking about - we have had a cordial relationship with France for over the hundred years celebrated, so our friendship with that country did not "end long ago" - we don't have to be "culturally bound" to them to have a friendly relationship, but, language aside, we share probably more social and cultural aspects of life with France than we do with the US - although I'm not sure what importance you'd want to place on that.

"holiday makers go to these celebrations"

Yep - millions of us head off to France each year - strange behaviour if we all hate the place.

"Just look at the body language of the the Prime minister and Chirac, chilly at best"

You want to base an analysis of the feelings of huge populations on an amateur reading of two people's body language!!

"Then there are millions of terminally dimwitted individuals in each country"

No there aren't - how many people do you know who genuinely hate all things French, all things American or all things Brazilian. Its simply not true to suggest that millions share such dimwitted, irrational hatreds.

"but in the real world most people are out for themselves and that includes thier own culture"

No - "in the real world" people are out for a great many, often contradictory" objectives. To suggest that the human condition boils down to "looking after number one" is not just bleak, its nonesense. I am not "out for" the "British culture" - I've no real idea what such a culture is, its simply too diffuse and changeable a concept. Being a Londoner, I've probably got more of a shared culture with a Parisian than with a Cornish farmer - difficult to see how I can be "out for" any particular culture in these circumstances.

"but after studying the media and thier output its pepperd with hatred and mistrust for other cultures"

Well if you are into media studies you will appreciate that there is a great deal of positive stuff written about foreign cultures as well. I don't like some of the media comment criticising the entirety of Islam - but such comment does not lead me to think that all British media is unrelentingly negative about all other cultures.

"but what of the millions of other people who believe what they read."

A minority believe all that they read - and you have wholly misrepresented what is written.

all those thousands of students listening to Moore intently all now harbour Anti American Feeling,"

He is not anti-American, he's anti-Bush.

He called millions of American's gun toting idiots, I should know I was there. he's anti anyone who does not follow his philosophy. read my first posting.

I really don't understand what you are talking about - we have had a cordial relationship with France for over the hundred years celebrated, so our friendship with that country did not "end long ago" - we don't have to be "culturally bound" to them to have a friendly relationship, but, language aside, we share probably more social and cultural aspects of life with France than we do with the US - although I'm not sure what importance you'd want to place on that.

Cordial Freindship, set up to discuss ways of stabalising thier own interests around the world, nothing about the needs of thier population, it was set up as a power sharing excercise.

No - "in the real world" people are out for a great many, often contradictory" objectives. To suggest that the human condition boils down to "looking after number one" is not just bleak, its nonesense. I am not "out for" the "British culture" - I've no real idea what such a culture is, its simply too diffuse and changeable a concept. Being a Londoner, I've probably got more of a shared culture with a Parisian than with a Cornish farmer - difficult to see how I can be "out for" any particular culture in these circumstances.


It's good you think that way and im glad your the way you are, a good attitude but there are many who dont and wont agree with your cultural analysis, its a hard cold world some good in it yes, but its also not wise to dissagree with the notion that there are many people in the world in the UK also thats hate foreign cultures, For god's sake look at football rivalry, we where in Manchester watching the game Liverpool vs Manchester United last year, we had to hide our scarfs, im convinced they would have done us serious harm , I am not talking about harmless football banter im talking hatred pure and simple, and thats in our own country you telling me a majority of those guys would be culter friendly around the world no, not all fans are like that but my point is a large majority are and thats just football fans, what other parts of UK society hold similare grudges, a sizable chunk I would say.


Well if you are into media studies you will appreciate that there is a great deal of positive stuff written about foreign cultures as well. I don't like some of the media comment criticising the entirety of Islam - but such comment does not lead me to think that all British media is unrelentingly negative about all other cultures.

Remember the old saying from the News, at the end of the night, And now on the lighter side, most news is negative has to be, the way the media work, written media just the same, I read very little positive media now days, not because I dont want to because I dont see much of it, Asylum seekers, benifit freud, ID cards, ETC.

A minority believe all that they read - and you have wholly misrepresented what is written.

Doubt I have got it wrong, look at the biggest selling Newspapers, The Sun the Mirror, all picked up by working Men and Women, who have not got time to digest and annaliys the news, thats why the newspapres are set out the way they are simple and easy to read, no large sections of words, I am one of those people and god bless us we reads the papers and often dont digest what we see we read, Asylum Seekers cost UK so many million, who are they to argue how many times I have heard someone in work saying did you read that in the Mirror Asylum Seekers are costing us this much, and the response most cases dam send them all back to thier own country, when I try to intervine they dont want to know. these newspapers are designed to be looked at then thrown away but they information they give is stored.

Cate.

Sadly, you're right about the gullibility of some people. Folk of my father's generation spouting some complete bollocks that they believe in because "it was in the paper."

There's very much a love/hate relationship with regards the US. We love it for its optimism, its sky-high aspirations, even on some levels for its brashness. The down side is represented by the corrupt reality behind the promises, the heart on the sleeve patriotism (I don't need to announce my patriotism to the world three times a day, and it certainly isn't represented by the phrase "my country, right or wrong"), and a certain shallowness when it comes to what's happening in the world.

But those are sweeping generalisations, stereotypes of a country with 250 million people--many of whom won't have any of those traits. And living in a country where newspapers fill four pages with I'm A Celebrity and a couple of paragraphs (if that) on Darfur, we're not in a position to accuse anyone else of being superficial.

(I still say that Falwell and the likes are making lots of money out of those who can least afford to bankroll conmen, but what the hell!)

the 'Quote' button could spare you both an awful lot of cutting/pasting/editing...

Cheers woodgnome, still learning.

Cate.