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I think it smore a case of give them an inch and they take a mile, once you let the goverment take one step it wont be long before they take another and another and anoher.

So its irrelevant what area its covering, its more about whre it will go in th end, look at America 2257 and Bush ? they let him do something once and now he does it when he likes, so its more about slowing the proces

You know in america they are trying to put Spielberg and other hollywood movies under the 2257 type laws ? they are trying to put your local news agent for selling hustler under the law so they have to keep records, they are trying to make blockbuster video obey 2257 type laws.

Where does it end ? i'll tell ya where, it ends WHERE ALL OF US ARE OUTLAWS working out of mexico.

Personally I don't think the British Government or the authorities really give a toss about porn. They are forced by the wankers who have to always go too far, to look into it. They know they can't really do anything, its all about keeping certain pressure groups happy.

The worrying thing is that the mysogynist tossers who produce this stuff will simply go underground and leave us in the mainstream caught up in the net

But reality is that they will outlaw extreme porn and then put no resources into policing it and so on it will go, until the press brings up the subject at another time.

This is the reality of British law making, talk alot and do nothing. Look at the explosion in knife related crime for instance, why not make carrying a knife or any other weapon (with or without intent) have a mandatory 5 year jail sentence? Why not, because it would mean having to make a decision!

I expect some on this forum will argue that carrying a knife should be legal, providing it is to be held at the throat of a woman and as long as there is a camcorder present..............

I was discussing this matter with a friend, and the post that the west isnt cililised enough to watch and not react and knifing and rapes are routine in this country.

Would u not say the Japanese Justice System is the reason they dont go out and do it ? because if you do your gonna get ur nuts chopped off and thrown into jail ? or that they have respect for their laws because they know they are gonna get it harshly,

My Friend is Chinese and he says Some places in China have made Chewing Gum illegal and it carries a huge fine issued on the spot if your caught with it, so you dont do it.

Where over here, you break the law u argue, even if you have 4837 people say u did it, CCTV showing u doing it, you still argue and have a chance of getting off on a mistrial or whatever, and then when ur finally convicted u get 3 months community service, WOW im scared of that.

My friend things the justice system needs to be mae stronger like it is in japan and other places like that, where people are SCARED of getting a life sentance that means LIFE!

The laws in Japan are not strict on rape, underage sex and many other things considered taboo in the west (like S&M and violent porn). In fact most rapes go unreported and those that get to court don't stand much of a chance of a conviction. Women are still very much second class citizens, sexual harassment on public transport and in the workplace is rife, salarymen read porn openly on the train. It's not really the law that keeps them in line from committing serious crimes, it's more honour and the social stigma of what their neighbours may think. Traditional values still hold strong and children do not leave home (especially girls) until they are married. If you do not conform to the strict values of Japanese society you are ostracised - even one small tattoo will see you evicted from gyms, health spas etc. The law is very strict in regard to drugs and they enforce red-tape rigorously in areas of tax/immigration/housing etc. - but in regard to sexual crimes, even the judiciary do not take them seriously. Since there is no strong religion in Japan, there isn't really any taboo to sex and a lot of girls put it about freely. Japanese society hasn't been diluted by immigration like western societies - out of a 130M population, 99% are Japanese - they do have Korean, Chinese and Filipinos who have become citizens, but they're never accepted as Japanese. There are a lot of misconceptions by westerners about life in Japan.

Hi Cenobitez

The filmmaker who has freedom of expression ( as enshrined in Article 10 ECHR) can depict any subject.

The confusion here is that certain naive people in the Home Office are taking these "sexually violent" images as real. I think that one should distinguish the recording of real events from play acting.

Certain feminists are thinking of protecting women but the opposite is true as the inevitable black market in "etreme pornography" will lead to the exploitation of women. The same women now who are exploited a by criminals sexslaves.

The concomitant of censorship is corruption.

Mike Freeman

IF the goverment enbraces a whole lot more i think the issue would be better, i'm thinking about what people are saying, and it does appear the more u ban something in the mainstream, the more the market opens underground, take Pot in amsterdam, take sex education and stuff in scandinavia on the whole, as best i know scan has the lowest child pregnacy in continent, yet has one of the lowest ages of consent, and ae very open about it all, Amsterdam legalises (bad word i know but i not sure how to word what they have done), weed now the dealers dont sell it, so ur normal harry potheads are not exposed to harder drugs, they dont have to hide away to smoke it, its all open, and bettef for it.

Did you read the 2257 update i posted from america ? where they want to slap speilberg and the likes under 2257, and make it so ur local blockbuster will be liable as well ?

I'm still sure its the UK pandering to the USA's will.



I wonder why Bush is so screwed up ? *^hint^

Hi Cenobitez,
Cannabis is not legalised in the Netherlands but decriminalised!
But it all works well. I lived in Amsterdam for 5 years.
Mike Freemanl

It doesn't work as well as it used to though. To bring it into a semi-legal framework the cannabis can only be sold from behind glass partitions and it now has to be separate from the bar selling alcohol. The bar/cafe can only keep limited quantities on the premises and need to keep detailed inventories of sales - police visit several times a day to check all the red-tape is being adhered to. The whole process has led to an explosion in the illegal supply of cannabis outside of the cafe system, which seems to have become nothing more than a tourist outlet. They still regularly raid farms where cannabis is grown, as growing and importing are still technically illegal and some politicians want to class Nederwiet as a class-A drug.

It's just another symptom of a country slowly slipping off the rails - their once great social system is a now a hollowed out shell, racial tensions are rising and their services are falling as prices rise. The Dutch coalition system only works during prosperous economic times when they can throw money at schemes. Their policy of tolerance, which is no more than apathy or an inability to deal directly with problems, isn't able to cope with globalisation and the 21st century.

It's still a nice country in the right parts, but places like Amsterdam-West are becoming more like the Wild West. But with living there you'll know the tourist view of the Dutch doesn't really reflect their character accurately.

I couldnt work out the best work to describe what they had done, i knew it wasnt legal as many friends had been busted for smoking in carparks and one the street.

Decriminalised ummm ? not sure thats the right word, as its only decriminalised in certain places isnt it ? ie they are happy for you to smoke it in a cafe but not in the street ? (least this is what i understoon)