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Even the Nazis who got murdered?

where they innocent?

Reference: Sobibor.

What's for you wont go by you.

World War Two was the ultimate war of Good and Evil.

Good took a pounding by Evil for a long time- but won through in the end, as it always should.

There were too many coincidences and chance events that shaped the War, which gave rise to Good winning.

Stalingrad 1942- a very bad f***ing winter put paid to Nazi domination of Europe, which could have won them the Trophy. Hitler was told to withdraw by his cretins, but the delusional twat insisted on the final push- and buggered himself up the bum.

Did God (whatever It may be) intervene?

Churchill stuck to his guns when Britain thought of conceding defeat. Furthermore, he knew Nazi Germany was up to something long before WW2 statred. He knew all along- and won the day.

Idiot Nazi scum thought Britain had the same technology (nerve gas) as the Delusional Fatherland- and held back. If they went for it- Hell would have dominated the planet.

Forces were at play in saving the planet, I tell you.

Then- ultimate act of cowardice- Hitler, Satan's fucking spawn, takes his own life and in doing so HUMILIATES a nation even more than the indignation of the Versailles treaty and The League Of Nations.

To think of the BNP madmen who are acting on behalf of a false god..... who killed himself. Nutters.

What's for you wont go by you.

We have new Nazis today: The Bush Administration.

Mark my words.

'So how many European 'far right' terrorist atrocities and murders have there been recently?'

Several, but most of them in Russia. Nazi skins molest and sometimes even kill blacks they happen to meet in the streets. Look here for instance:



But I agree with you that in Western Europe the islamofascists pose a much bigger threat.
The European governments react to this threat in two ways. Both ways are equally dangerous:
1. concessions to the fundamentalist muslims in hopes that they will not turn into terrorists. Only last month a nutty Dutch minister pleaded for the right to wear burqas in public. Nazi symbols are forbidden, but islamofascist symbols should be allowed. Dutch logic...
2. building up a police state, where the government is authorized to monitor all telephone, e-mail and internet traffic and ban anything it doesn't like.

Two points:

Banning Nazi memorabilia is a dangerous road to go down...fighting facism with more facism just brings you down to your opponents' level. It's the same with sending 'Holocaust deniers/revisionists' like David Irving to prison...I think he should be free to question the facts on the matter, and if he's wrong, then it should be quite simple to prove it. Jailing him just made him a martyr figure. We currently have a topic about 'Hewitt's son' referring to Prince Harry...imagine if said poster was jailed for questioning the official version of events? Or if everyone who questioned the veracity of the JFK assassination or US moon landing?

Secondly, we should not overlook the fact that the swastika existed long before Hitler and co decided to adopt and slightly adapt it. It was actually regarded as a symbol of good. It is used in Dennis Wheatley's 'The Devil Rides Out' to ward off evil spirits, ironically to protect a Jewish character.

Also, if I might add in response to Stricly Broadband, just because an atrocity isn't in living memory doesn't mean it's any less atrocious. That's just daft. When the last holocaust survivor dies, it's not suddenly going to be less of an atrocity, is it?

Also a couple of British plots have been foiled by police, and a mosque was fire-bombed in Windsor.

Recently a BNP member was in court for possessing bomb-making equipment.

A few years back there was the nail bomber who attacked racial and gay targets.

DanG wrote:

> Also, if I might add in response to Stricly Broadband, just
> because an atrocity isn't in living memory doesn't mean it's
> any less atrocious. That's just daft. When the last holocaust
> survivor dies, it's not suddenly going to be less of an
> atrocity, is it?

I agree... my point is this: that Fascism is still a living force in Europe, and on the rise again, so it represents a real menace. The Old Testament is an evil book which condones slaughter and rape, but I don't know of any group in Europe today who puts this into action.

Islamic fundamentalism is also a nasty thread in modern society but IMHO fascism is a much more real danger - we don't see it in Britain so much, but across central and eastern Europe it is on the rise and even in government.

See what you can find out about the Knights of Saint Columba, this will drive you nutts I have have an original of their prayer, it reads like rip the unborn from wombs and smash their heads against rock etc etc. kin scary stuff. Seems everyone was into it even the monks.
One thing always bothered me about Nazi vrs Jew. Why did they not fight back, they stood back and watched their own brothers/kids/wives die or worse. Its not like they did not know what was happening. I have been to the two big camps when I lived in Hannover and I have seen the photos and read the story's. I watched Shindlers list last night on ITV 3 was this just fiction or did the Jews stand back and watch and in some cases help the Natzi's. I really would like to know as its something I have never understood.

Phil Mcc (Jim Deans)

Having just read your post on Poland, I'm inclined to agree...no wonder so many of them are coming over here!

Still, I wouldn't be too surprised if Labour tries to push something similar through over here.

Phil mCc wrote:

> One thing always bothered me about Nazi vrs Jew. Why did they
> not fight back, they stood back and watched their own
> brothers/kids/wives die or worse.

There were many instances where Jews took a stand - the most famous being in the Warsaw ghetto. But Jews never had a chance - they were small, unarmed section of the population (no more than a couple of percent in Germany).

The Jews (and Gypsies, etc.) couldn't survive unless a section of the German population stood up to oppose the Nazis - but largely, the Germans ignored what was happening (or preferred not to know).

It's a bit like asking why the Aborigines or the Native Americans didn't repel the European invaders - they tried, but they didn't have a hope in hell.

That's not how it comes accross Jerry, I thought you were going to tell me they chose not to, I find it strange. Look at other instances like the Red Indians, they fought like fuck. Abo's is a bit different they were tricked not beaten into submission or tortured. Everyone fights, look at who fought against the Romans. I don't doubt they would have lost but they would have at least lost fighting. I just don't understand why the mothers stood back and watched their families killed we must be diffent in some way I mean touch my kids see what happens. Why did Jews world wide not buy an army or send in some undercover suicide bombers. I thought the Jews had money in Germany. I have asked many Gernans about these things, being subtle like I am I once told the biggest German producer Porn ever produced he worked for respect not got it for free. I have called a few Nazi's and had one in tears because of it. Moser always said the Nazi's killed anyone with any talent, music, art, anything regardless of who they were.
I really would like to understand, I am not a very tolerant person so maybe I just don't understand.

Phil McC

I found Victore E. Frankl's book 'Man's Search For Meaning' very interesting. He was a psychiatrist that spent time in Auschwitz and other concentration camps throughout the 2nd World War.

He said more cruelty was suffered at the hands of other Jews in the camps than the German guards. A real eye opener.