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Sam Slater wrote:
> It's looking east, lol.
I see, pedantry. Fair enough, I'm overdue to be hoisted by my own petard :- )



> Let us remember, that when we first started dating such things,
> the younger these ancient relics were, the easier priests slept
> at night.
Irrelevant. Archaeological science has long passed these strictures.



> The Sphinx wasn't built was it? I thought it was carved out of
> the rock? No technology is needed really, barring a hammer &
> chisel.
Built/carved/chiselled-out by canine teeth. Semantics.
Tremedous skill, certainly. Could you or I do it? Even if aided severally?
I think not. And what inspired it [particularly, rather than the obviou
proximate cause of religious awe]?



> We know the Egyptians mapped the stars,
Yes, amazingly well. We've all seen the evidence [and 4WIW some proof
that the ancient Brits were similarly sophisticated- and of course we're still
waiting for an adequate explanation of the henges !]


> .... and I've no idea how
> the Sphinx would get water erosion in a place that's been a
> desert for the last 5000 years
This one was 'busted' a few years back in a Beeb doco. The Sahara is
certainly subject to brief [about two-day, IIRC] torrents every 3 thou'
years or so- but AFAIK no-one understands the climatology of deserts
thoroughly enough to be sure. And IIRC the 'evidence' for it having been
water-eroded was somewhat suspect. As usual with these things it's better
IMO to lay off the wilder theories than to go madly off at tangents.
Great discussion, though- the first decent one we've had here for ages :- )))

Building Sphinxes is easy, when it's soft sandstone. Now, paper mache is a different matter.

As for the water erosion, I don't think the bbeb blew it out of the .....errr....water(lol); they just gave an idea how the erosion could occur. They ignored that the pyramids escaped these '3 day' storms, and are right next door.

Regardless, we may never know for certain, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we found the beginnings of civilisation to be older than we first thought.

You just want it to be aliens don't you?

Sam Slater wrote:
It's all monstrous diverting, but in the end there's WAY too much
speculation and far too little evidence- which may be why I chose Science
as my degree.

> You just want it to be aliens don't you?
Yeah, OK- you sussed me :- )

magoo wrote
> The funny thing is that everybody I have ever met who gives
> credence to lunatic theories such as this are always fervent
> athiests.

Christ, you do ask some toughies. I assume you are not including me in
the above?


> Is there some connection between being one of those atheist
> fundamentalists (you know the ones who insist on ramming their
> atheist beliefs down everyones throat and are as inflexible in
> their doctrine as those mad christians from southern USA) and a
> propensity to be taken in by mad theories about aliens etc.
I sort of see what you mean, but for example I certainly don't think
Dawkins would even entertain the idea of 'spooky aliens'. He's a rude and
uncompromising git, sure, but he at least has sincerity and logic.

> Maybe its a kind of substitute faith for them and in their
> minds seems far more logical than the existence of a deity
Quite possibly; as far as I'm concerned human psychology is a closed
book. As you know, the US 'UFO mania' of the 50's is now widely regarded
as a reaction to Cold-war paranoia.

[quote]The funny thing is that everybody I have ever met who gives credence to lunatic theories such as this are always fervent atheists.[/quote]

Yes, well that's obvious, because to believe in aliens AND be religious must surely be blasphemous? (i don't think the Bible/Quran mentions aliens, but I can't see religions accepting them!)

For the record, I believe in alien life.......somewhere. It's almost a certainty.

Check this out for fucks sake!

I'm not paranoid.
But they ARE out to get me.

Sam Slater wrote:
> Yes, well that's obvious, because to believe in aliens AND be
> religious must surely be blasphemous? (i don't think the
> Bible/Quran mentions aliens, but I can't see religions
> accepting them!)
Unless of course you accept that the Gods are aliens.... which brings us
neatly back to Square1.
>


> For the record, I believe in alien life.......somewhere. It's
> almost a certainty.
You see, it's that word 'believed' I have the most trouble with. You can
believe anything you want [even to the extent of murdering someone who
dares to disagree], but it don't make it true.