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the reason why most people leave this country is for a better quality of life... which usually means a better climate.. beachs sun and golf!!!!... since it is getting easiar to resettle with expat ghettos building up all over the the coast of the med... and cheaper property.. more and more of us are doing it.... but people are not leaviing because of the changing face of our country... they will say it is because it sounds like a point of principle rather the more selfish but legitimate reason of a better life..please please end this thread now.there are local elections coming up and i am dreading the BNP gaining a seat in the london assembly... on the backs of the lies and fear mongering that have been written in this thread.

I think you over-estimate the popularity of the BGAFD forum if you think stuff written here is going to change a sufficient amount of votes in the upcoming local elections.
The inference that people can't cannot express any concerns about immigration without playing into the hands of the BNP would suggest the other parties are way out of step with public opinion - which would mean the dreaded BNP are electable. Anyway, the influence contained in this wee forum won't sway much!

hellochigs wrote:

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Well, when you have elements within ALL the mainstream parties now advocating some form of control on immigration, not to mention people like the head of the UK's "Commission for Equality and Human Rights" Trevor Philips (a black man!!) saying that the current immigration free-for-all cannot go on, you know that there's problem.

And anyone who expresses the usual hysterical knee-jerk response of "questioning immigration = support for the BNP" is - frankly - just being silly.

- Eric

I think the biggest problem about this subject is that if immigration either affects you or you've been affected by it then you're against it but if it has done nothing against you then its extremely easy to see it as not a problem.

Very few have just looked and predicted but when they have they have been branded racists.

Something has happened over the last week here which makes me say that.

Down the road from me is a general store which changed hands on Wednesday.

It was owned by an Asian and his Mrs who were brilliant, always helpful etc and they employed 4 white women.

2 of the women were around 60 / close to retirement age
1 is a single mum of 3
1 is a wife and mother.

The new owners are also Asian.

They have sacked all the white women and now employ other Asians, the shop now stinks (where it never did before) and the staff barely speak English, grunt prices and on the few occasions I've been in have never once said thank you.

I know one of the elderly ladies who worked there and the single mum to talk to and saw them both over the weekend.

When I asked them about losing their jobs they both said it was down to bloody "immigrants" (I won't use their exact phrase) and I could almost feel the hatred.

Bearing in mind that they worked for Asians before I thought it fitting to this.

The elderly lady thinks she won't get as job because of her age (can't speak for the other one) and the single mum is going to struggle because of her kids. The result being "we", through no fault of their own, are going to be paying for them.

Add to that the fact that the shop now opens from 7.00 am to 11.00pm when it used to be 9.30 to 9.30 which has resulted in me being disturb by new customers both in the morning and late at night and I wish that these particular Asians would fuck off back to where they came.

Another thing I've noticed about this thread is there isn't any mention that 2nd and 3rd generation minorities interviewed for the poll also said that immigration is now a problem.

I suspect that those minorities are also not card carrying members of the moronic BNP either so I do wish those who constantly bring them up whenever the subject is mentioned would realize that instead of assuming that anyone who talks about the subject does so purely because they are racists.

the problem is that card carrying members of the BNP... and potential BNP voters will see your sentiments as a green light to take matters into thier own hands... after all, they will think that most people would be grateful for any action they might take.... there is a reason why immigration has been a taboo for so long... unfortunately.... people are no longer embarassed to express their natural racist instincts anymore..... an instinct which is in all of us.Most people who have a problem with immigration in this country dont even experience it themselves... they will quote false stories about queue jumping, increased crime and benefit scrounging.....oh man i am really wound up now.... chill baby chill

[quote]the problem is that card carrying members of the BNP... and potential BNP voters will see your sentiments as a green light to take matters into thier own hands...[/quote]

And do what? Comments about the BNP are thrown around a lot on here, but.....thinking about it......who are the BNP? The poll Dibble linked to suggests that 2/3rds of us want less immigration. Maybe 1 in 4 want present immigrants sent home.......apparently.

All this, and the only party that promises what the so called 'majority' want -the BNP- are lucky to get a seat anywhere in the country. They've never had any influence or power. They are just a really small (minded) minority of individuals that we ignore, distrust and dislike.

I think the poll proves that whatever your thoughts on immigration, or even race equality, there's no direct correlation between such beliefs and voting BNP. I bet there are more Jehovah's Witnesses in the country than BNP voters and yet we are confident that blood transfusions will still be safely used when needed for the foreseeable future!

The BNP are just a very, very small group of deluded bigots, who we talk about far too much......as if they've ever been a threat in the big scheme of things. immigration could quadruple in the next 3 years and the BNP still wouldn't get enough votes to challenge the Green Party.

Seriously....the more we take them as slightly important, the more they feel important. They should be mocked and laughed about....a bit like Scientologists and Noel Edmond jumpers........

hellochigs wrote:

> the problem is that card carrying members of the BNP... and
> potential BNP voters will see your sentiments as a green light
> to take matters into thier own hands... after all, they will
> think that most people would be grateful for any action they
> might take.... there is a reason why immigration has been a
> taboo for so long... unfortunately.... people are no longer
> embarassed to express their natural racist instincts
> anymore..... an instinct which is in all of us.Most people who
> have a problem with immigration in this country dont even
> experience it themselves... they will quote false stories about
> queue jumping, increased crime and benefit scrounging.....oh
> man i am really wound up now.... chill baby chill

You may be really wound up hellochigs but not half as fucking wound up as I am.

Thanks to people like you the moronic BNP were on national TV tonight running a fucking promo for the local elections.

You gave them their voice I hope you're proud.

We've already had our local election but be assured if they stand at our next one and they come to my door they will be told to fuck off.

Give them the green light my arse. Hang your head in shame!

"Comments about the BNP are thrown around a lot on here, but.....thinking about it......who are the BNP?"

Yes, anti-BNP comments are tossed around on there - usually by hysterical college boys who haven?t a clue who the BNP are or what their actual policies are. Their views on the BNP are simply the received wisdom of the middleclass mob. They've not arrived at that those conclusions through research and rational thought. Being hysterically anti-BNP is just a position one has to adopt if one is to be able to function and be accepted in almost every strata of middleclass life.

Now, personally, I have checked out the BNP?s policies. But I found them to be a little to extreme, a little to unreasonable, and maybe even a little to mean. Not my cup of tea. But, contrary to middleclass hyperbole and hysteria, they do not propose to reintroduce concentration camps or hang gay folk from gibbets.

As Sam rightly points out, most people are not turning to the BNP because they are 'racists' they are tuning to the BNP because they are sick and tired of the three main ivory tower dwelling 'middleclass parties' and their ineffectual polices - the thrust of which seems to be to maintain themselves in power, to maintain the status quo, to promote and impose their airy fairy middleclass values and to have the average Joe on the street pay for it all. Ordinary folks are not politically savvy, they have no interest in political ideology, they just want the money they pay in taxes to be spent on them (not asylum seekers, civil servants, or gay and lezzy groups) and the government to stop stepping on their toes and keep it?s nose out of their business.

Sam wrongly points out that the BNP are an insignificant party who only attract the votes of a few eccentrics. At the last council elections they actually came second in a surprising number of constituencies round our city. It was an eye opener for me. However, the city's mainstream ?establishment? newspaper played it down. Also, I learned at the weekend that the BNP website gets far more hits than any other political party?s site. You may recall polling organizations regularly getting it wrong over past elections, due to the phenomena of the ?quiet Conservative.? The many ordinary blokes who would not openly admit to backing the Tories ? because it wasn?t considered to be ?cool? or fashionable or they feared being lambasted by some young, wild-eyed, (but articulate), middleclass nutter. They?ll be a similar phenomena at work with the BNP.

Whatever you think of the BNP they are a legitimate, democratic, political party who serve a necessary propose. They serve as a bulwark against rampant middleclass luvviedom. They serve as a counterpoint to NuLabour, reining in their worst excess, preventing them riding roughshod over the respectable working classes. In years gone by if the Labour Party didn?t look after the indigenous workingman it was tough titty ? where else could he go? For many blue-collar folk the Conservatives were beyond the pale and the Liberals were a load of raving ?metrosexuals?. But now they have an alternative. And NuLabour luvvies are rightly terrified. It will be an interesting election when it comes.



Officer Dibble

Officer Dibble wrote:

> Whatever you think of the BNP they are a legitimate,
> democratic, political party who serve a necessary propose. They
> serve as a bulwark against rampant middleclass luvviedom. They
> serve as a counterpoint to NuLabour, reining in their worst
> excess, preventing them riding roughshod over the respectable
> working classes. In years gone by if the Labour Party didn?t
> look after the indigenous workingman it was tough titty ? where
> else could he go? For many blue-collar folk the Conservatives
> were beyond the pale and the Liberals were a load of raving
> ?metrosexuals?. But now they have an alternative. And NuLabour
> luvvies are rightly terrified. It will be an interesting
> election when it comes.
>
I know you like a good rant at New Labour Dibbs but can I remind you that not all of us refuse to look at Immigration and some of us are bloody incensed by the BNP reaching the level of being on national TV.

Had the 'luvvies' of ALL parties listened there probably wouldn't have even been the need for these morons to exist to the scale they unfortunately do now and most certainly not have the amount of support they are now getting.

21 April 2008 for me was a night the UK should hang its head in shame.

I agree

The best sign of whether the extreme parties have a real following is at election time

I'm yet to see one in an OECD country that has polled more than 5/10%
overall.The disillusioned protest voter rarely sticks around

Australias version of the BNP One Nation have all but disintegrated within 10 years of them gaining a reasonable amount of state & federal seats
all around the country.

Which tells me the protest voters weren't true believers

Why parties have to continue to be ideologically driven and not policy driven is beyond me