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The chronology of these quotes is important. That is what you are missing and therefore do not get the point I am making.

Ken Clarke was in favour of the VAT cuts in Nov. 2008 which is when the cuts were made by Labour.

The Tories had been banging on for years about Labour party overspend and waste of money so Clarke could not in November 08 say he did not know about this overspend. He still thought the VAT cut was a good idea based on what all parties knew about the economy. The third quarter figures were not as catastrophic as the fourth qtr 2008 and first qtr 2009 figures proved to be i.e. the collapse in the economy and therefore increase in the borrowing requirement has since spiralled. At this point the banking crisis had not yet hammered the general business sector as it has done now with a savage drop in output. The last quarter figures were not available in November.

IN JANUARY 2009, Clarke became a Shadow Cabinet Minister and since then has been trying to backtrack on what he said because obviously it makes the Tory Shadow Cabinet look a complete load of tossers if they disagree so fundamentally on the above policy.

It is also worth pointing out that Clarke has more experience than pretty much the whole of the Shadow Cabinet put together, which is probably why he agreed with the Labour plan in the first place.

Hope this helps your understanding
have a nice day.

Good. You are now accepting my point. That there are fundamental differences in approach between the Shadow Business Minister and the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.

You fail to point out in your analogy that Lamont did not speak out publicly against the ERM but just ploughed on as Chancellor with a policy which when it failed he subsequently said he didnt support at all. If it had succeeded we probably wouldnt have heard a peep out of him, lol.
Clarke actually stated that he was in favour of the VAT cut. Your analogy is not valid.

Here is a another fundamental difference between good old Ken and the rest by the way.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... krupt.html

If this is what they are like in Oppostion how on earth are they going to cope in government?

I note you completely ignore my question about what the Tories want Labour to cut now given they have said that any cuts need to be made now not in two years time which is the Labour view. The reason you have ignored this is because you dont know. The reason you dont know is because the Tories wont say. But one thing that can be guaranteed is if you are any of the following, poor, ill, unemployed, in the public service, you will be in shit street if the Tories get into power.

This is my last comment in this thread. Its becoming too much like stealing sweets from a baby.

Have a nice day.

thank you for your detailed input, Mr JR Pornstar. I recognised an intellectual soon as I saw your posting. I will give up now. and enjoy the sunshine

Yet more bullying from a no doubt corpulent Tory troll.

He gets fat[ter] while your kids starve from 2011, if you are mad enough to elect a Tory government.

Everything David Johnson has siad is spot on,the poor and the sick will feel the full power of the tory boot.