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"Secondly, as someone who lived in London for 40 years, I can tell you with some authority that large parts of the capital are indeed becoming ghetto areas full of Asians / African Carribeans etc to the point that in some schools a white kid becomes such a minority that he becomes a target for bullying.
This cannot be right."

I agree that ghettos are not way less than ideal. The creation of ghettos is what the BNP want. They believe in apartheid and state that they have much in common with the black political parties in the US that advocated apartheid.

"Now, I'm sure that in your comfy shoes sitting in middle England, this opinion constitutes that I am an out and out racist xenophobe, but believe me, nothing could be further from the truth".

I know nothing about you and your lifestyle and I have made no assumptions whatsoever about you. You know nothing about me and my lifestyle or experiences. I could describe the above paragraph as being patronising, but I won't. For the record, I do not believe the statement you made in the first paragraph makes you a racist xenophobe.

"Nick Griffin hates certain races and stokes hatred, particularly in deprived neighbourhoods where the 'indiginous' peoples (ie those who have lived in their environment for generations) feel threatened and marginalised by immigrants, many of whom are unable or unwilling to speak the country's native tongue"'

I agree. I have been rabbiting on about this in many of my posts. If you need something to help you to go to sleep you could try reading them.

"In an age when housing, jobs and personal security are all high on the agenda of most peoples' concerns, of course the BNP will get added mileage out of playing on this section of society's fears - and not surprisingly, for all Griffin's perverted retelling of recent history, people WILL go to the BNP in their droves if they feel that his Party will give them a voice to vent their frustration and anger - which is more than can be said for Jack Straw and his ilk, who pussy foot around the issues that every man, woman and child hold close to their hearts".

I agree. Ditto my answer to the previous paragraph. Jack Straw was not the right person to be at QT. His constituency in Blackburn is approx 30% Muslim and there is an election coming. I suspect the Labour party realise they need to tighten up on immigration - hence Alan Johnson's speech on the subject yesterday is a step in the right direction in terms of highlighting the Labour party's failures over immigration control. Better late than never.

"whilst by and large I feel your intentions are sincere and creditworthy, I feel that you are dumbing down and / or underestimating a/ the strength of feeling (misplaced as it is, sometimes) of, primarily, the downtrodden working classes, and b/ the power that an opportunist party such as the BNP can wield in times of oppression and instability in a seemingly 'civilised' society.
Indeed, history should tell you that virtually ANYTHING is possible, once the people decide that change is needed, be it by fair means or foul"

Neither dumbing down nor underestimating that strength of feeling in my posts. Because people hold strongly felt views, does not necessarily mean they are correct or should not be challenged. On the subject of history, I have pointed out a number of times that Hitler was treated as a buffoon by the political classes in late 20's/early 30's Germany. If I didnt think that the BNP represented a risk to this country, I wouldnt be arsed to write these posts. I agree with you.

However, what I disagreed with in Max's post was the use of the term "Islamification of Britain". At the most, statistics for 2008 would suggest that the Muslim population of the UK is between 3-4%. National statistics used in 2005 would suggest that the Muslim population of the UK as a percentage of the total population is lower in Britain than nearly every country in Europe apart from Spain and Italy. If anyone seriously thinks that a population of 3-4% is the equivalent of a process of "Islamification of Britain" than I just do not believe that to be the case. I can, of course, understand that if you were living in the middle of the Muslim community in Blackburn and didnt get out and about much in the country, you might feel it was more like 80% of the population

I suspect that neither myself nor Max will change our views. This topic has quite a history.

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Cheers
David

When you say it's a good thing that Alan johnson said what he said yesterday, about how Labour may have made some mistakes regarding immigration, and you said 'better late than never', I do wonder. Mistakes regarding immigration have an indefinate legacy and are generally irreversible. I am not saying I want immigration reversed (namely remove people) I am saying that the disloyalty of so many people who come here, to the country they have settled in, the fact many changes are made to accomodate them which usually means eroding and altering the traditions of the settled people, means that the effects of mass immigration leave a permanent mark. I can not think of many other things a Government can do that is so permanent as problems that occur with things like this - they can never be undone. Also, have you noticed the timing of what Johnson has said? Six months before an election the ruling party always raise this and he and other ministers will talk about it as we get nearer to the general election. Gordon Brown will probably mention it two or three times in the months immediately before the election next year and then, even if Labour won, we would not hear it mentioned again. The Tories will most likely win as we know and they wont do anything about it either.

"Six months before an election the ruling party always raise this and he and other ministers will talk about it as we get nearer to the general election. Gordon Brown will probably mention it two or three times in the months immediately before the election next year and then, even if Labour won, we would not hear it mentioned again. The Tories will most likely win as we know and they wont do anything about it either"

Unlike your good self apparently, I do not have a crystal ball, so I cannot confirm or otherwise, whether the Tories or Labour will actually do anything about immigration, if elected.

I noticed on Channel 4 News tonight that the BNP are being accepted as being an ordinary mainstream party. Gary Gibbon, the correspondant for the programme, was talking about how there is less support in the country for the Afghanistan war. So much so that Gordon The Ego has at the last minute put in his diary for tomorrow a timeslot to make a speech about 'the importance of us being in Afghanistan'. When Gary Gibbon listed the parties who are saying there is large opposition to the war he said "the Tories are raising this, so are the BNP, so are the Lib Dems and so is UKIP". The way the BNP were included just very ordinarily in the list of main parties suggested the BNP really have arrived.

You're right.
They have.
Scary, isn't it?!

There is no doubt that the BNP have gained support since this programme, and i agree that Griffin was made to look stupid but Jack Straw came out worse and i doubt if the labour party will gain any votes from his input, so yes Griffin was a winner or rather the BNP were.