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David, the service in that Church every Christmas time IS a multi faith service and they do not permit the mentioning of Christmas, Christ and so on. I have been told this by peope I know who have attended. The annual service is also headed by three people: the Priest, and iman and a rabbi.

Since Labour came to power 13 years ago there has been a real culture of this kind of PC carry-on. It is because of the climate of that which (probably, I dont know for certain as I havent asked them) a Church like this likely feels it is the best thing to do to have a service including everyone and is not too Christian-specific. I find that odd as in a Church you would expect it to be exactly that but this lot are in favour of doing what they do. Maybe you could email them and ask them why they do it. Perhaps you could email the Central London Mosque, 300 yards away, and ask them why they DON'T do it.

Next. Within hours of Galloway winning Bethnal Green & Bow in 2005 he said publicly (words to the effect of): "Tony Blair, this is for Iraq. Now the best thing the Labour party can do when they return to work tomorrow morning is to sack you". Galloway travelled down from Scotland and looked for an area with a muslim population sufficient to win him the seat there if he stood on an anti-war ticket. Everytime I saw new footage or photographs of him in the build up to that election he was surrounded by hundreds of muslim people in the streets. I wonder if he even bothered speaking to any local non-muslims, and his election win was certainly controversial.

Watch this, it is all interesting but I think David Lammy's comments towards the end hit the nail on the head:

I hear there's this country in the world called Turkey. Perhaps some of you people should visit and try the rakı while you're there. It doesn't cure stupid, but perhaps it might help relax a bit....

max_tranmere wrote:

> David,
>
London, NW8. I work
> in the Baker Street area

planeterotica wrote:

Ellementry my Dear Max, You work at the Abbey National 221b Baker Street, this is why you are so well informed !wink!

To repeat, my questions which you havent answered at all. Other than with the apocryphal, "people I know who attended"

You have said
"when you consider they dont allow Christmas services in churches in several such areas now?"

First question.
Who "doesn't allow" Christmas services in churches and how do THEY stop it? Give me the law used.

Second question
I asked you "What happened, did the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury ban Xmas in certain areas of London?"

You replied "No, the Pope didnt do it, the Labour Government did."

Give me the SPECIFIC evidence that the Labour Government banned Xmas in certain areas of London.

Third question. I provided you a link to the website for the church you mention which shows they have standard church services including Easter.
I asked you the following.

"Are you arguing that Muslims hate mention of Xmas, but don't have a problem with Holy Communion with the traditional 1662 Prayer Book language. And that Muslims are totally bought into the concept of Easter week?"

Fourth question.
I asked you "how do you explain the fact that Bethnal Green and Bow was one of only three seats that the Labour party won in the 2010 elections, Max, getting 43% of the vote compared to 16% to Respect?. Did the Muslim electorate decide they were fine with the Iraq war and the terrorist legislation after all?"

Stop wheedling your way out of answering the questions.

Cheers
D

Max,

I love your idea of the local Muslim population who go to the Regents Park mosque forcing St Johns Wood Curch to have a rabbi at their service.

Priceless!

Cheers
D

David,

I have no idea why Galloway wasn't re-elected in BG & B, other than the fact he didnt stand a second time as I recall. I seem to remember someone else from his Respect outfit standing there while he himself stood somewhere else in east London. Poplar I think it was, and he didn't win it.

And you're not suggesting in your last comment that muslims don't like jews are you? I mean, that couldn't be the case. Surely not. Muslims disliking jews? I've never heard of that before...

Max
The point is you argue with regard to xmas services being "banned"

"Considering this, how long will it be until ALL churches in neighbourhoods with a significant muslim population do this? "

And you give an example of the local church near where you work which has a rabbi at the service.

Do you think your argument is sensible if muslim pressure results in a rabbi being at the service?

I notice you run away yet again from answering my questions.

In summary, all the evidence you can come up with is that you have one church which allegedly based on "people you know" has a multi-faith service including a rabbi. What is wrong with a multi-faith service occasionally which brings people of different faiths together?

As a result you argue "how long will it be until ALL churches in neighbourhoods with a significant muslim population do this?

At times Max, your views are truly pathetic.

Cheers
D

" You obviously think that you are more intelligent than a Daily Mail or Sun reader"

Oh dear, just scratch the surface of any number of left wing liberals like Dave and underneath you will find a nasty person trying to escape the restraints of their political correctness.

No, I do not think I am more intelligent than a Daily Mail or Sun reader and unlike you I suspect Dave, do not consider myself superior to anyone else on the planet. I am quite happy to read and listen to many points of view including opinions other than my own.

You appear to be quite sneering in your reference to Mr Murdoch, but I would pitch his intellect against yours any day! I rather think you see him as a bit of a traitor to the cause, having withdrawn his support for the failed NuLiebor experiment!

With regard to the link which I posted, it would have been better if you had read all of the article, beyond the bits with which you agreed, rather than glibly using a racist comment.

Hi Max,
You know that church, St Johns Wood Church in St. Johns Wood Road where they werent allowed to have a Christmas service?

You missed the carols last December 10th, Max!!! How could you?

http://www.politics.co.uk/opinion-forme ... 251568.htm

For example "North West London -Anthony Head, Miranda Richardson, Jenny Seagrove and Sue Jameson of the Mayhew Animal Home will come together for a Christmas fundraiser hosted in the beautiful backdrop of St John's Wood Church in St John's Wood"

And "St John's Wood Church is a beautiful venue and a great place to spend a cold evening, listening to carols, warming up with mulled wine and raising some money for abandoned animals at the same time!"

Blimey, Max, you could have met Miranda Richardson (one of my personal faves. Brilliant playing the part of Ruth Ellis) and listened to carols.

How on earth did they get christmas carols and mulled wine!!!!!!!!!! in St Johns Church without those nasty Muslims down the road in the Regents Park mosque putting a stop to it with their outrageous demands?

Any ideas, Max? No, really, any ideas or even a comment?

CHeers
David

David,

I hadn't heard of the carol service, but I am very familiar with the multi-faith late December thing which they have each year. Afterwards they have a candle-lit procession up the High Street which then heads to the local hospice. I have watched this a few times, as have several people I work with. The procession, which has Police closing off side-roads as it passes, goes up the High Street, turns left into Circus Road, crosses Finchley Road, then goes to St Johns Hospice. I point out this out to show that I am familiar with all this. I hadn't heard of the carol service thing.

I do wonder how (or even why) they have a carol service, which is obviously very in keeping with the Christian thing that is Christmas, when they go for the multi-faith service (the thing that preceeds the candle-lit procession) with priest, iman and a rabbi. From what you have said it looks like they are Christian-specific one week, then all PC the next week. If their reasoning for the multi-faith thing is "to reflect the rich, diverse, cosmopolitan make-up of our inclusive society" (or words to that effect) then I wonder why they dump the other faiths for that one week when they have the carol service. You will have to ask them.

Max.