African aid

[David Johnson]

Well there is a fantastic coincidence, isn't it? I mention "Unless you have a specific skill e.g. medicine, engineering, construction, agriculture etc. I suspect the benefits are more for the individual who goes out there than the people who are suffering from famine" in response to your post which talks about

"a gap year" which more often than not means a year between school and college in which the vast majority of kids would have very little experience of engineering and constuction in Third World countries.

And you make absolutely no mention of what you did in your post.

And then hey presto, it is engineering and construction that you did!!!!!!

If that is actually the case, then fair play to you if you were able to contribute. Well done! However as I said in my post these skills can help to make a contribution. Clearly they are positive.

However the vast, overwhelming majority of people who make contributions to charity do not have those skills do they? So if they haven't got those skills what do you suggest those people do? Nothing? Tell em to fuck off?

"Your just a typical numbskull who thinks giving your money to charity actually helps anyone..does it really help?? does it fuck"

Not an entirely convincing argument, is it? Have you never seen on the television or read a journalistic report a worker for Medecins sans Frontieres working in a field hospital in some crisis situation? Here is an extract from their site "It is the support of people like you that allows MSF to operate. We rely on private donations for 90 percent of our funding to ensure that we remain independent and can provide medical aid based on need alone, and not any other agenda."

Are you saying that people who give money to MSF are completely wasting their time and money? Nothing actually happens in the field hospital. And the television and newspaper reports are all total bullshit? If so, you are clearly wrong, aren't you?

Look at the Red Cross? Again you see them delivering supplies including food. Are you saying that people who give money to the Red Cross are completely wasting their time and money? Nothing happens to help. If so, you are clearly wrong, aren't you?

THE POINT IS THAT IT IS NOT AN EITHER OR, IN CRISIS SITUATIONS SKILLED PEOPLE ARE NEEDED AS WELL AS FUNDING?

Ok, so you said that you built wells and did engineering projects in your "gap year". Which organisation? Did you pay your own fare there and back, your own transport whilst in the country and your own food? Did you buy yourself all the equipment required to build wells and construction projects? Did you pay for it to be shipped in? Did you pay for a project manager yourself. Did the group pay for all the local workers who would be required to help?

No? If not, where did the money come from?

"you are without doubt a complete arse and at least i tried to do something constructive to help my fellow man rather than chuck 2p into a bucket at your local Morrisons!"

Again not a very strong argument because you have no idea what I and others contribute to charities.

So SAYITREAL, I have answered all of your points.

Are you going to answer mine in this post?

I note you made no reply to my link re. the Tottenham riots when you were talking out of your backside and totally misinterpreting what I posted.

Cheers
D

[David Johnson]

"if i had as much time as you david i would answer all your points"

Well you have had enough time to slag me off with "arsehole", "numbskull", "complete arse". In the amount of time you spent slagging me off, you could have answered them, couldn't you?

It isn't a whole list of questions. is it?

"However the vast, overwhelming majority of people who make contributions to charity do not have those skills do they? So if they haven't got those skills what do you suggest those people do? Nothing? Tell em to fuck off?"

Are the videos/newspaper reports of the work that Medecins sans Frontiers and the RedCross do completely fictional?

Where did the money come from for the projects you worked on? Obviously there was a lot more money involved than that required for your airfare and tools in order to successfully deliver construction projects?

As for being wrong, I have absolutely no problem admitting if I have made a mistake or talked out of my arse. As for talking out of an arse, it was a bit like you accusing me of saying that only black people were involved in the Tottenham riots, I guess.

http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=3&i=248448&t=248406

Maybe you are the one who is never wrong?

Cheers
D

[jimslip]

As usual you resort to insults to make your points. Admit it Johnson, you are an "Armchair Socialist" good at spouting dogma, but don't actually DO anything useful! You're just livid that Sayitreal actually DID do something to be proud of and you are an old Leftie windbag!Lol

[David Johnson]

http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=3&i=249190&t=249106

!wink!

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[David Johnson]

"You're just livid that Sayitreal actually DID do something to be proud of "

My post to SAYITREAL "If that is actually the case, then fair play to you if you were able to contribute. Well done! However as I said in my post these skills can help to make a contribution. Clearly they are positive. "

Can't you get anything right Jimbo?

!wink!

Cheers
D