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Len801 wrote:

> If it may interest you, in lieu of "sharing" the whole movie, I
> could post a couple of screencaps of the g/s photo shoot scene.

This will be fine. Thanks.

Here are 7 screenshots from the brief golden shower scene.
For you computer techies out there, take note that Nero software I used to snap off some screenshots resulted in scans being all out of whack. I tried to straighten them out and resize them, and perhaps they do no reflect the exact aspect ratio of the original image but that's the best I could do.
As I said, the scene is very brief and although I did not clock it, runs for about 30 seconds or so. Rocco pees over both girls' faces and they even open their mouths, but as far as I can tell they do not swallow.
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This is detailed description of Part 2 of the Italian uncut version:
Monica acquits herself very well in this part as well as in the first part. Perla only comes a bit alive in last part and seems to be enjoying the g/s much better than Letizia or Monica. Some parts seem to be repetitive with diffrent players (photo studio, martial arts club, etc). Both parts feature a lot of outdoor in the park scenes involving bukkake and unattractive males. Clarissa is very short and less attractive than Letizia and it hard to imagine she could dominate Letizia in such a way. The other blonde, so called "Gabriella", really does not add anything to the proceedings and does not perform much sex action. She is totally wasted and the scene was totally unnecessary.
The bedroom scene with Rocco and Perla was very hot, but something seems to have gone wrong when Rocco was trying to screw Perla...

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Part 2

=The movie starts off with Gabriel doing a photo shoot outdoors in Rome with Letizia, Perla and Monica. This lasts for about a minute or two, then Rocco is driving around with Letizia. She is still cock hungry so while Rocco drives, Letizia briefly blows him (isn?t that hazardous driving?).

=Gabriel is now shooting Monica and Perla in photo studio (well lit, sharp photography). They are both very attractive but are wearing crappy looking lingerie. Rocco comes in with 5 guys, and he snaps off some pics of the men with the two girls. Soon the males are all naked and they are all over the two girls. The two girls suck and get screwed in two separate groupings and then all come together. Monica has a nice trimmed pussy (practically bald), while Perla sports a very thick bush. Perla is the first one that gets a cum shot over her face and then Monica is seen being buttfucked in reverse cowgirl and cowgirl and then DP?d. Monica takes a couple facials, and that concludes the scene. Very little activity is seen from Perla and it is disappointing, and Rocco is not involved in the sex action at all.

=Rocco is driving around with Monica in front seat caressing and fondling Perla who is sitting on her lap. It is raining and Monica leans over and briefly blows Rocco and is followed by Perla. Monica very briefly takes over again and Rocco jerks off on her open mouth.

=Rocco then takes the two girls to a dilapitated place where a number of blacks and foreigners are hanging around. He makes the two girls kiss and hands Perla over to a black guy who is sitting down and blows him (his wienie is soft). Meanwhile Rocco gets Monica to blow him. While Perla blows the black guy, another black guy fucks her from behind doggie style. Perla seems to take a creampie and the cum spills out of her hairy pussy. Monica does a dual bj on Rocco and another black male. Rocco fucks Monica in doggie standing (vaginally and anally), while she blow other males. Perla squats over a male in reverse cowgirl (and when we see her again we note that she has taken it in the ass, and pulls off as the guy spills his seed). Perla squats over another guy (anally) while she the males around her. Monica is seen being anally fcked by Rocco in reverse cowgirl while show blows some guys around her. Then Monica takes a DP with black guy in her pussy and Rocco in her ass. The black guys gives her a creampie.

=At what appears to be Letizia?s place, a blonde (apparently identified as Gabriella) is seen making out with a balding and hairy guy in red shirt (he was one of the 5 males in the the photo shoot at the beginning of the movie). Rocco is sprawled on a bed being blown by Monica (in black lingeries) and Perla (in white lingerie). Rocco phones Letizia to tell her he is stuck indoors because of the bad weather and has spent an exciting afternoon with Perla, who has become a real nasty girl. He invites Letizia over later and promises to have a nice ?suprise? for her. Letizia goes over and joins the guy and blonde. The two scenes are intercut. Rocco fucks Monica first vaginally then anally in reverse cowgirl with Perla licking both and doing A2M. Hairy guy fucks Letizia anally in reverse cowgirl. Rocco anally fucks Monica in doggie with Perla underneath in 69. Hairy guy fucking Letizia in the ass in doggie and jerks off on her face and open mouth. Rocco is seen energetically fucking Monica in the ass, and at one point grabs both girls by their hair and drags them in the bathroom. He places their heads over the toilet bowl and jerks off on their faces. [There was something funny in the bedroom scene between Rocco and the two girls. After he had finished fucking Monica in reverse cowgirl, he grabs Perla signaling that he also wants to fuck her and she begins squatting over him for penetration, but the movie then shifts to the other scene with Letizia and when we return to Rocco scene Rocco is fucking anally in doggie. Either the Perla fucking did not work out, the resultant video had technical problems or was cut out by Rocco for some reason]

=It is night time and Rocco is driving around with Perla and Monica. Rocco wants to take them somewhere interesting(I am getting really tired of seeing Rocco sticking his thumb and fingers inside girls? mouths). Yep another outdoor scene in the bushes. The three are outside the car and fooling around when a group of men gather around (do these people actually live in the bushes, or do they have a day or night job?). The women are separated in 2 groups. The women performs blow jobs and also do some fucking. Perla squats over one guy in reverse cowgirl and who cums all over her thick bush. Both Perla and Monica take a number of facials, but Rocco was nowhere to be seen.

=Letizia comes over to see Rocco as promised and he introduces her to Lady D (Clarissa Bruni), who treats Letizia as her sex slave. Lady D makes Letizia eat her pussy and even slaps her (face and body several times throughout the scene), and makes her lick Rocco?s feet and rim him. Rocco fucks Letizia vaginally and anally in reverse cowgirl as well as doggie. Rocco then brutally and anally fucks Lady D in doggie as he continuously slaps her face. He pulls out of her ass and drags the two women in the bathroom, where he buttfucks Lady D standing over the toilet bowl while Letizie is sitting underneath. Rocco pulls out of Lady D?s ass and jerks off in Letizia?s open mouth. Then Rock pees into Letizia?s mouth, who spits it out. When it?s over, Lady D grabs Letizia?s head and stuffs it inside the toilet bow and flushes.

=It is night time and Rocco takes Perla to the martial arts club. He begins kissing and caressing Perla and soon a bunch of guys gather around (Silvio Evangelista is one of the males). She blows Rocco and others, and then the guys take her up inside the ring. While she squats in reverse cowgirl over a guy she blows other males. Silbio fucks her in the ass whil elaning over standing and in doggie. She gets DP?s and takes a huge number of facials. Rocco and Letizia enter the club, while Perla takes 2-3 golden showers (well done and photographed, and much better than in Part 1). A couple of guys lick the cum and pee off her face and body. Rocco looks over to Letizia and tells her ?Mai dire mai a Rocco Siffredi? (Nevers ay never to Rocco Siffredi) and they both smile.

Therefore, 1996 version is essentially the 1995 version (two parts) minus:

- Vu cumpr? guy,
- Golden shower at the photo shoot,
- Strap-on session with Letizia and Perla,
- Outdoor scene of Perla with Rocco and i ragazzi.

Well that's a lot of "minuses" when you consider.
I wish I had an idea as to how the movie was originally conceived, how it was shot/edited and marketed in the different versions that exist.
When you put the two versions together, they make a jumbled mess.
The essential plotline is rather simple (Letizia wanting to meet Rocco, Perla wanting to show off and show that she is just as hot as Letizia), but then a lot of extraneous and unnecesarry footage gets in the way.
How necessary was it to have TWO photo sessions, what was the point of having the black males if they did very little? Was it necessary for Rocco to keep taking the girls in the woods to be be pawned and screwed by such a large number of unattractive (non professional) males (these supposedly wre from members of his fan club, so was he just trying to reward/please them for their support?). Perla is cute, but is given too little to do in either film. She takes greater joy in her g/s scene that the other two actresses, so that is a plus for her, but Letizia and Monica perform sex a little better. I can understand Perla was a newbie and non-professional, but Rocco could have put her to better use. He could have worked with her a little more, she was definitely very willing and enthusiastic, she just needes a bit more direction and attention. The other blonde girl (unbilled and unknown, even though someone has suggetsde she is Gabriella) is just useless.
Another strange thing is the Letizia bathroom g/s. She is on the floor with Rocco standing over her and pissing in her face/mouth. Clarissa is standing right above her too with leags spread out as if she also was going to pee on Letizia, but nothing happens. Was Clarissa supposed to pee on Letizia, and things did not work out (the well was dry, bit of stage fright?). And as I said there seems to be something missing from the bedroom scene with Perla and Monica. Perla is about to straddle Rocco with what may appear to have been an energetic vaginal/anal session, but nothing happens.
Then the title, how does it really fit what has been going on for close to 4 hours? The women were all very willing, no one was even slightly reluctant, and even though they really wanted him, he kept handing them over to ugly looking men. Rocco had 3 hot women to work with for over 4 hours. Could have been a real classic, but squandered it all on car driving around the city, crappy bukkakke scenes in the bushes. All the notoriety the film(s) seem to have garnered has to do with the 3 brief g/s scenes, and the presence of Perla, who apparently came from a well-to-do family and who quickly disappeared after making this movie. For the rest, it is really a drab movie (even by 1995 standards).


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Rocco did similar things with Sandy Balestra and Kelly Stafford-
those endless scenes with piss-poor amateurs, etc.
He seems to get off on humiliating the girls as much as possible-
which, assuming they were willing to be used, would be fine, had
he not committed the cardinal sin of making the footage boring,
badly-shot and unerotic.

I have seen the (unfortunately) censored Sandy and Kelly films, and I did find them hard to digest. Too much humilation, too much rough sex. Too much nonsense.
In various written and video interviews he has given over the years, Rocco always professes he loves women, but when you look at his Euro movies, one is taken aback by the rough unjustified treatment he gives the women.
Does he really love women? Why he does not let women pee on him? Why does he not get butfucked by a girl with a big strap-on (the size of his dick)? Why does not he let the women take him to the bathroom and dunk his head in the toilet bowl? Why does he not get repeatedly slapped around, or spat upon? Why does he not get taken in the woods with 12 ugly guys cuming on his face?

I don't object to mild 'rough-housing', as long as it's consensual,
but I agree that Rocco faces a charge of hypocrisy. Although, to
be honest, I have no interest whatever in seeing him receive the
treatment he dishes out to females : -)
OTOH he's hardly on a par with Max Hardcore, Rob Black or some
of Anabolic's recent output, in the misogyny stakes.

Spitting [almost always], slapping [usually] and general degradation
[often] are simply unerotic- and therefore ought to have no place
in mainstream porno. People who find this sort of thing appealing
usually have problems interacting with real females or have had
troublesome pasts with women. Anyway, there are niche producers
who do that sort of 'minority-interest' stuff much better.

You know the one thing that makes me really retch, though? When
a girl's made to suck a guy's toes [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/sick.gif[/img]
Most guys [and not a few women....] have pretty horrible feet, and
if I sense that sort of thing coming up, I quickly FF lest I lose
my lunch [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/puke.gif[/img]
It's probably irrational, I know, but there it is.

Max was light years away from Rocco and most of the ones that now or recently have practiced the rough stuff today. I am not a fan of Max or this type of activity, but he must be given his rightful due. Max was doing the slapping, spitting, analing, bj drooling, fisting, pissing, vomiting, and pissing way before the others got around to it. One can only see the result in the recent sentencing of Max and Rob Black, who dared the authorities in a game of chicken and lost out.
That Rocco has gotten away with it for so long is somewhat astonishing, but the other telling point is that his American distributor (Evil Angel, and odd titles by other outfits) has been exceptionally wise to release his more outlandish product by censoring it for North American distribution (and perhaps elsewhere), as we have seen for this title and others as well. I would wager that if Rocco was living and working in the USA and he would release those films uncut domestically, he would be facing the same difficulties that Max and Black have encountered. If he stands by his product (artistic intergrity?), why does he not try releasing them uncut in North America? Won't? Can't?

Rocco had also promised to retire once he turned 40, and to concentrate on directing. That promise was not kept, and I don't know whether it was used to spike up some interest in his recent apparently underwhelming and underselling titles or whether it was a question of vanity getting the better of him, or whether money had something to do with it. To see Rocco in the late 1980's (when he was working in France, etc) and in the USA in the early 1990's with Stagliano and for other US producers, has little bearing with what he has been doing for his own label in Europe. Much more controlled, more genial, more pleasant in the former, and in the latter case totally over the top, with toe sucking, anal rimming, slapping, spitting in the mouth, dragging by the hair, dunking heads in toilet, pissing on them, bukkake and gang bang scenes, she-males, bukkakke. Was he having fun, was it erotic? Were we being entertained, aroused, displeased, somewhat or totally disgusted? Did he really care? For him was it a simple case of how many units (VHS/DVD) he could move in a given country, or was he trying to establish a brand, a legacy, something he could truly be proud of, when he finally retired and passed on the mantle to someone else.
Was all the rough stuff in his euro movies a simple put on to push the envelope (like Max and Black, Khan Tusion were doing in the US) and spike sales and fatten his bank account, or something he felt personally very comfortable with, helped by the fact that some actresses may have been comfortable (aware, unaware?) with that type of behavior and treatment.
When does a little rough play go really too far? When does a little innocent slap on the face stop being erotic and sexal arousing, when you apply 12-20 slaps, when you frequently spit in her face or mouth, when you get an actress to suck you toes for minutes on end, when you stomp your foot over her head, when you stick 4 fingers in her mouth, when you dunk her head in the toilet bowl?

Good points, can't argue with much of that.
He's clearly had his day- his stuff has been increasingly repetitive
over the past few years- I often have to stifle a yawn at his latest
efforts. Like a lot of things [a point to which you allude in your
final paragraph] porn is subject to the Law of Diminishing Returns,
and those who produce it feel they tend to have to 'go one better'
every time they release a new title.

In a sense legal constraints [chiefly but not exclusively in the US]
work in the favour of the average viewer [assuming such a beast
exists], by discouraging producers from exercising too often in
the wilder gardens of the genre.
I like to think I'm fairly median in my tastes- whether I find
'rough play' arousing depends very much on context- and in Max
and, increasingly, Rocco's case, that context is lacking or
misconceived. Some of Clark's wilder stuff is probably as rough
as Rocco's but I rarely feel queasy because I get no 'misogyny
vibe' from him.... but of course I concede the possibility that I
may, consciously or unconsciously, be misreading the 'signals'.
You may have read here my comments about, for example, Zampa and
his nose-pinching antics, which I loathe, again largely because
they often occur within the context of a 'mainstream' porno-
although I would find that sort of blatantly misogynistic behaviour
objectionable wherever it occurred.
I'm also aware that to an extent my own rule-of-thumb is inconsistent,
which of course serves to highlight the difficulty of making glib
generalizations : -)