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Models & escorts have a sex life outside the industry so as long as the are sensible things 'should' be alright. When you drive your car you wear a seat belt for safety & i have always thought the same about condoms, saying this a seat belt can't always save you nor a condom so its a risk you take being in the industry. You mention escorts going bareback but how many models have the odd casual sex (wihout condoms) & do they stop work until they get new certs just in case or carry on until the next check up date.

Kim xxx

I'm on your side all the way, Lindsey. We've had a few, long-winded discussions on here over the past few years about this very subject and, basically, you'll not get much sympathy.

Why? Because a lot of girls do it and a lot of photogs like girls that 'put out' for bit of cash. A lot of people on here will know performers who escort, and book escorts themselves (who also perform); some porn productions are even based around booking escorts, afterall, so I'm afraid the same excuses will come out like:

"oh, but what about those that sleep around"

and,

"escort girls always wear condoms"

and,

"guys who pay for escorts are usually std-free businessmen."

Basically, they'll think of any excuse to justify it.

And the girls that are professional and do keep themselves as clean because they respect their fellow performers' health? - They're told to deal with it and given a dose of gonorrhoea as a 'thank you.'

Great isn't it?

lindsey wrote:

> Why would the model with certs work with this model/escort anyway?

That is exactly it though lindsay, although you may have missed these debates in the past when they have come up, the end result should simply come down to one thing...

The models needs to make a choice.

No one should ever feel forced or pressured by any other performer, director or even agent about who they choose to, or not to work with and yet I see this happening regularly which is a shame.

I feel for the newer models mainly in this aspect as it is only through time that you can gather enough information on the talent pool to make an informed decision on who you work with and who you dont. However dont ever think that the dangers of escorts, bare backers and irresponsible performers will go away, however I would say that it is, not exclusively but definitely more prevalent in the amateur/part-timers talent pool than those who are working professionally full-time.

We all just have to pay attention, never be afraid to ask anything (even though it wont always be answered honestly, by asking your giving the choice), building trust worthy friendships with other models and communicating about everything, including sti results to your fellow performers without fear of being stigmatized. We should all be able to gather enough information to choose who is more of a risk to work with and who is not. Who's actions and lifestyles are responsible and who's are not. From that we should be able to make our own individual choices and not feel bad for doing so, or pressured by anyone.

Of course none of these precautions would make us immune to catching the nasties but I think that when facing such a huge wall of uncertainty and dangers, we should all do whatever we can to increase our chances to protect ourselves by lessening the risks we take for our own health and the health of fellow performers.

This path is littered with infinite problems though. It is very hard to know who worked with who. The fact of someone having or having had an infection is not their fault unless they knowingly did something irresponsible. Therefore it is not to blame the individual but it is simply a industry reality. Especially as there are performers male and female who might not admit to their activities or sexual partners on or off set. Where is the source of their testing, what is the reliability or credibility of their certificate, has there been any long breaks in the testing history, or has there been too many tests in one period? Then also there is the performers partners and what they are up to!? Truth is we will never know!

There is a million possibilities and risks to think about and the list goes on and on. We all know the risks we are taking and I hope we are all intelligent enough to try our best to minimize them.

I try to work with people I trust, this game is simply built on trust and choices. I am lucky to know and trust enough people to get by. But we are always meeting new girls and there are always new guys coming in. I cant expect to know anything about them. I can try to steer my work to were I feel there is more trust and proven relations. I try to ask individuals directly about anything and everything I may have heard, and I am always up front if anyone wants to know about me.

This is all I can physically do to 'help' protect myself. Even though I only want to have great sex with gorgeous women and make great movies to watch in years to come. It is the reality that there are huge health risks in this job and whoever said that we got it easy obviously has never done it before...

Sorry for going on and on with my rant, finally I hope it helps some of the newer people to think and take care out there.

Keni

Ps. I carry all of my testing history with me to every shoot. I always have done and always will. If anyone wanted to know about me, what infections I have had, how regularly or how long ago? It is all there for them to see.

No this is not a prevention, but it is helping us performers know about each other and build trusting work relations for the future.

I wish more performers would do this. It is not even the content of my folder that is important. It is the willingness to share.

Firstly, anyone doing bareback sex outside of a relationship or a tested situation is playing Russian Roulette. This practice should be discouraged whether it is escorting, casual sex or swinging.

Secondly, as OEJ said certs aren't reliable because it can take up to three months for something to fully develop.

So back to the thread....

This topic comes around every six months or so and quite often people forget or don't realise that the porn industry and escorting are linked with both modelling agencies and some production companies organising punter meetups which are filmed then resold or just for pure profit.

In an ideal work, everyone in the porn arena should follow the same principles of :-

- Porn models should not have unprotected sex of any sort outside of a long term relationship or with other tested models,
- Porn production sites should us only tested models (male and female)
- Modelling agencies should stick to hiring out girls only to producers

However everyone has bills to pay and as a result people are selfish so some will turn to escorting or party organising to cover cash flow issues.

Also, don't forget a number of escorts see a move into porn as a career move as it helps to inflate their prices / desirability.

And a punter can very easily get an HIV test and a cheap video camera to become a photographer, hire a girl and post it on a site.

I don't know what the answer is but the best recommendation I can think of is if someone plans a career in porn, get tested every 28 days and if you feel uncomfortable working with someone, leave before the shoot starts but let the photograph know the reason why - such as you know that person escorts bareback despite their certs.

HH

PS For the record, I only do bareback sex with models with current certs

Hi Keni it didnt see it as you ranting, just voicing an opinion

Actually i totally agree the models need to make a choice. I just expect them to have some morals regarding how thier actions might affect others....

It would be nice to see all models carry a complete test folder like yourself.

VideoKim said ....... "You mention escorts going bareback but how many models have the odd casual sex (wihout condoms) & do they stop work until they get new certs just in case or carry on until the next check up date."



I dont think the odd casual sex (without condoms), gives anywhere near the risk associated with a bareback escort who sees many clients a day. Lets guess at 6 a day , thats 30+ a week. And you want to compare that to perhaps 1 casual shag a week after a club or whatever ?

Spot on ! Youve only to look through the posts and you can see variations on those excuses you mentioned .... Well some arent even excuses. They are just blatently ignoring the truth. The ones that bring up condoms are laughable seeing as the original post was about bareback escorts.

surely the risk is still the same!It only takes one encounter to catch something if you are not careful!
As said by several people on this thread,the issue has always been around and always will,but people go into the business with open eyes and accept the ensuing risks.In the end there has to be a level of trust or very quickly there would be no business left.
the British porn industry seems very well informed and i'm sure those involved know who to work with and who to avoid.

Harry Hardon wrote ..... "I don't know what the answer is but the best recommendation I can think of is if someone plans a career in porn, get tested every 28 days and if you feel uncomfortable working with someone, leave before the shoot starts but let the photograph know the reason why - such as you know that person escorts bareback despite their certs."


So is there anywhere that models (rather than just producers) can look to see people black-listed as taking big risks ?

I only ask because i assume its already widely known who the offenders are, because not a single person has asked me who i know about and how far it goes into the certed industry.

Lindsey if it is known who the offenders are then you obviously wont be working with them because the producer will know.

If a producer doesnt know and a model suggests someone then its advised a producer at his discretion query that performer and seek proof.

Bad mouthing and grassing is a waste of time. Just dont work with people who are offenders. Problem with the performing poool is they cannot handle truth and it ends up being mudslinging and other time wasting stuff.

Best thing is to just not hire said offenders. End of.

As far as I know there is no real black list out there but for the ones people have personally for themselves.

Why this is continuing on the BGAFD forum is an example of what I mean. Paranoia, distrust and bad vibes makes for a bad work environment.

If you really want feedback then take it to the producers. They are not going to answer here.

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