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OEJ Why any difference because of the content of the booking as surely that was agreed before the booking was confirmed and/or if the booking was by a professional photographer rather than amateur?
Equally why any difference if she is a full time pro or only takes occasional bookings and lists her status as amateur?

The point is she was presumably going to be paid in some way be that ???, content, clothes etc and regardless surely knew that ' Harry ' was incurring costs so totally reasonable for him to expect her to behave responsibly.
She could have at least contacted him a few hours in advance.

How would you feel if you had driven almost all of say 2 hours to a lunchtime function and had spent money on say a personalised gift or a pile of fresh food then got a text
' sorry function cancelled because I / we are hungover '
so no alternative but to turn round and drive back home then throw gift / food in the bin?

I have no idea who the said model would be, but if she has a profile on Purestorm hopefully a negative comment as been added to her profile to give a warning for other togs.

This is like a lynch mob, isn't it!? !shocked!

There might just be two sides to this story !whistle!

Agreed there shouldnt be any difference pro/amatuer, whatever.

If the model took the booking then she should either go through with it or at least inform the person that they are not going to be there at the very earliest they can. 5 minutes before the shoot is a joke.

If you are going to stick up for the model just because the guy shooting is an not a pro, then why bother having that section of UKAP open to the public to see, you may as well just make it private access like the other parts of the forum that are only intended for the "pros".

RGB

There may well be two sides to a story but the model in question, she's just had a lot of exposure on here for a shoot done the day before, texted saying "I've got a hangover so can't make it".

If it had been "Someone's died", "Had an accident", etc; I think everyone would be sympathetic and I would not have even posted that.

However, one thing I didn't mention was the shoot was due to commence in the early afternoon - not some stupid early morning.

Surely most people by 1.00pm will know they aren't fit to work / travel / drive and let the person know then.

To me, any person (male / female) who doesn't have the courtesy to call to cancel deserves all they get.

The model has refused to take any calls from me since to talk about this and from emails I've had about this breakdown in service, she's been ackward to others.

HH

Indeed unplanned / unavoidable incidents happen and so long as the other(s) involved are informed at the first possible opportunity they ought to be understanding.

When the cancellation is genuine I am happy to rearrange but once let down or lied to ( once late the day before the shoot I was texted by the model that mother is very ill but from a post on here I know actually she worked for another photographer ) I seek another model.

I arrived at my conclusion because I dont see why an escort job should be classified the same as a porn production.

There is a fine line between the two and as I stated earlier, she has been in touch with him and chooses to not correspond further because she said what she said so while its a no show she has given him a reason. its not as if she has disappeared without a trace.

If he was totally ignored that would be another matter and that is really what led me to my conclusion that this is not a matter for producers be they amateur or pro. Lets face it, she will get work from similar people to Harry even if she does let them down.

All I can say is welcome to our world. At least you didnt lose money on a group shoot, costume fittings etc

Its just an escort job and nor would i expect it to affect those who patronise escorts if she didnt turn up to a porn shoot either.

To put it another way

If you arranged to meet a model at the cinema and you bought her a ticket and she failed to show, do you think it should affect her getting work because of it? its the same thing, except they arranged to have sex. She obviously changed her mind.

Thats the difference in my view. The whole thing was set up just for a shag. I think its up to everyone how they see it but she turned up for me and as far as I know many other professiional people so my apologies if I dont see it the same way.

There are many girls who let people down like Harry because they see it as a shag and dont think it will affect their standing with regular work.

Its regrettable Harry lost time and money over it but thats how it is and I dont think a professional producer is going to hold it agianst her because they'll see it the same way as i said.

Terry

Disappointing comments...

As I have said to you before, this was a shoot I had planned to put up on my AW site.

Over the years, I have taken part in a number of shoots ranging from those with the likes of Faye Rampton for her site, ladies at Southern Charms and so forth.

I had been trying to get a shoot organised and I discussed this with the model involved. I had been looking for a suitable first person to shoot with and I was not going to use a crew.

When I did my shoot with JK for Real Punting, he didn't have a crew - just him.

When I did my shoots with Faye, she didn't have a crew - just her camera man.

Many people in the industry use their own cameras for POV work and that's what it was going to be.

Simply because I'm not a 100% professional or a member of the UKAP cartel does not give you the right to make these kind of comments.

HH

Or to put it another way, Terry believe's she will shift product so he is happy to book her.

I've never made something myself before (as I said early I've wanted to and this model seemed ideal as we got on when I met her at a shoot event and had similar ideas), and have been involved for shoots with the like of YazminTV, Pimped Nutz, Arse with Class, Southern Charms as well as other things over the past few years.

I do this for my own pleasure not for profit so maybe my motives are different to your average producer / film maker. I have no interest in getting product onto Television X or DVD, like a number of people on the BGAFD, the internet can be used to show photos.

As for the style of shoots, many people on the BGAFD (including members of the UKAP cartel) are making one-person films these day with the girls doing their own make-up.

A producer like Playboy will have a make-up person but how many people on the BGAFD who produce internet content have this?

Did any of the shoots for British Bukkake Babes have a full film crew?.
Did any of the shoots for F--k Faye have a full film crew?

As for the "it's an escort shoot", is that now what we call people who are looking to produce their own content for their own enjoyment and publish via something like AW?

Please ask Faye about how professional I was a the Penge shoots. I use to turn up on time only to find the shoots delayed due to the models getting merry in the bar for an extra hour or two.

Please ask Yazmin for the two years of certs I brought to her "World Cup Wank" shoot.

Anyway, this experience has made me think twice about any other potential shoots I was planning..

Thank you for shattering a nice idea I had.