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Of course there's an element of 'trolish bluster' in my tirade, and yes, of course I am aware that we may indeed need 'some' immigrants for legitimate economic reasons. But this is the kind of rabble-rousing talk needed to awaken the people from their apathy, make them angry at how the country is being run, at how their money is being taken and pissed away on PC and naive attempts at social engineering. Were I to be handed the reigns of power tomorrow I would of course be more pragmatic and measured, though the thrust of any new initiatives and polices would still be at resolutely tacking the kind of issues I have highlighted.


Vote Dibble

"Then we have anarchy Dibbs, and that would mean some chavs just strolling up your drive and taking your car, just because they can! and no one to stop them or no laws to punish them!"

At least we could shoot 'em then, Liz. It would be a bit like the old Wild West where homesteaders could legitimately see off varmint trespassers with their twelve bores. Yeeha!

Officer Dibbs

sorry but I think you'll find most people do have simlar ideals, most will agree we need an army,NHS,schools,pensions,social security,controlled immigration etc etc. The current main parties all just tinker with these ideas. Most people would not want extremes like communision or the BNP which is why the current staus quo is maintained, there is no alternative in our long term established political ideology. If someone does come up with another political philosophy such as Marx did id listen to it and make a judgement, but in my lifetime I havn't seen one. It's not a fear of change just an acceptance that the current situation is not perfect by any means but the best we have to work with

The only feasible alternative philosphy I have read in recent years is the neo-tech zonpower books. This involves the whole-scale rejection of the political principles that everyone endorses. It will happen sooner or later, I believe western society will eat itself (it is based entirely on dishonesty and failure to accept truth) and that the majority of eastern religion-based societies (for obvious reasons) are far too regressive and limiting.

been having a read of the neo tech website, some interesting stuff on religion. a lot of which i find myself agreeing with, a lot of the science stuff is pretty spurious though such as discussing Einstein in terms of quantum mechanics when he didn't agree with most of the theory. I can't see it becoming the next new thing though, it comes across too much as an anti religious cult than a political theory.

The best bits of the website was the comments section, a quick taster...

'I am a messenger to your sick website. The archangel Gabriel will swoop down with a fiery sword and destroy the apostate filth which defiles God's internet. Each letter of each blasphemous word is a nail in the blessed body of Jesus Christ who was and is and is to come. I did recognize your writing as that of the beast, but know that Satan will be vanquished, and you too will be cast into hell during the millennium of Christ's rule over this world. You will drink molten brass for your sustenance for all eternity, and there is no respite for the reprobate.'

'Hopefully the cretins that run this site will soon develop very slow, but painful cancer '

fucking hilarious, more here for a good laff

Its criticisms are generally OK, even if based on the same old same old conspiracy theories, but what it proposes as an alternative is a load of bollox.
The only people who benefit are the purveyors who sell books/lectures/courses etc. to gullible idiots.

Mart

This has been a genuis government - everyone is earning less than when the tories were last in (check your payslips!) and the economy is a disaster waiting to implode. When no one can afford a house, and debt is at record levels, there is only disaster on the horizon. I can't wait...

Any "benefits" will only arise if/when signifficant amount of people understand what is being said. Until then, it will be something for "cranks" - though in reality (and judging by the comments on the website) it is the true "cranks" who are threatened by the message. And like any commercial organisation, from Neotech to Tony Robbins, the business side of it will taint the message in the eyes of cynics.
I'd rather be a constructive crank though than an arbitrator of social decline, which is what we are witnessing now.

you've got to be careful dismissing people who don't agree with the theory by saying they simply don't understand it, that smacks of arrogance, it was one of the first things stated one the website and is a total turn off for the very people you would want involved according to the theory ie. people who can think.
It talks a lot about quantum theory, something i've studied at degree level, so I do understand most of it, not all mind (not many understand quantum mechanics totally as it is such a heavy subject, even Einstein couldn't get his head around it when it first emerged and disagreed with the theory up until his death)
Simply saying 'you don't understand it' kills any meaningful discussion of the theory in the same way as it's antithesis, religion, says 'if you don't agree with us implicitly you are going to hell' does.
This closed argument is one of the reasons it will struggle to be taken seriously and be regarded as 'crank', the ideal of i'm right your wrong will not be taken up by an educated western society

What I meant by "understand it" was the ability to look at it with an open mind - many people would refuse to accept even the basic principles, primarily due to the fact they don't wish to challenge there own beliefs and/or they find it uncomfortable accepting how corrupt things really are, which when looked at objectively is understandable - the truth hurts and many people are quite happy to be shielded from that truth.
I'm not saying neotech is 100% correct, but the basic principles involved are, and would form the basis of a far nicer world than the one we're existing in at present.