Nazi Memrobilia

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Phil mCc wrote:

> That's not how it comes accross Jerry, I thought you were going
> to tell me they chose not to, I find it strange. Look at other
> instances like the Red Indians, they fought like fuck. Abo's is
> a bit different they were tricked not beaten into submission or
> tortured. Everyone fights, look at who fought against the
> Romans. I don't doubt they would have lost but they would have
> at least lost fighting. I just don't understand why the mothers
> stood back and watched their families killed we must be diffent
> in some way I mean touch my kids see what happens. Why did Jews
> world wide not buy an army or send in some undercover suicide
> bombers.

The Jews had no such numbers or power. Today it would be different - Israel would be involved like a shot. But back then, there were only about 12 million Jews worldwide, many were poor refugees themselves.

Go carefully Phil... this is a painful subject and suggesting the Jews somehow rolled over and allowed themselves to be slaughtered is a very strange idea. My grandfather still remembers losing large parts of his family, and he did what he could and what many British Jews did: joined the RAF to defeat Hitler.

Jews in Britain, America and elsewhere did lobby their governments to get involved in WW2 - the question you should ask is why those governments waited for so long before taking on Hitler.

You could equally ask why the Palestinians are allowing themselves to be fucked by the Israelis today. The truth is, what choice do they have?

[Sam Slater]

[quote]The Jews had no such numbers or power. Today it would be different - Israel would be involved like a shot.[/quote]

That's a good thing then.....right?

[quote]the question you should ask is why those governments waited for so long before taking on Hitler.[/quote]

Warmonger!

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Sam Slater wrote:

> [quote]The Jews had no such numbers or power. Today it would be
> different - Israel would be involved like a shot.[/quote]
>
> That's a good thing then.....right?
>
> [quote]the question you should ask is why those governments
> waited for so long before taking on Hitler.[/quote]
>
> Warmonger!

Good call on both counts! !happy!

My response:

1) The only positive thing about Israel at the moment is that it can and will act against European fascism in the future - obviously it's not big enough to declare war on Poland, but Mossad's good at assassinations.

2) WW2 was the last war that Britain fought with genuine justification - since then, the excuses have been tenuous. I'm not a pacifist, never claimed to be, just want to see good cause.

[Phil mCc]

I am pro not anti, mate. I just never understood why. I don't believe they done it to themselves for one minute. Its just when you see how easy they went it seems strange. I trully believed they were to much pacifists. I am dealing with Malawi right now and they are starving etc 3rd poorest country in the world. If their roof falls in they pray, the don't fix it, they pray then after a week they pray some more, then they dance then the fix it.
It just seems some cultures are so different to us we cannot understand them. As for Israel they are brave most people wish they had the bottle Israel has, I don't know if it works but some payback makes you feel a little better.

See you tomorrow,

Phil McC

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Nazi Memorabilia?

Reich up my street!!!

!laugh!

Aaaaah, TK Maxx for the far-right.

Do you shop there, Dibble?? !wink!

[Bronson Lee]

Just out of interest do they sell any British or Italian Fascist stuff?
and is it worth more or less than the German?

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Phil mCc wrote:

> I am pro not anti, mate. I just never understood why. I don't
> believe they done it to themselves for one minute. Its just
> when you see how easy they went it seems strange. I trully
> believed they were to much pacifists. I am dealing with Malawi
> right now and they are starving etc 3rd poorest country in the
> world. If their roof falls in they pray, the don't fix it, they
> pray then after a week they pray some more, then they dance
> then the fix it.

It's really not hard to understand Phil. Look at the way Europe swept across Africa with its superior weaponry. It took the Africans a couple of centuries to organise a resistance, and they finally drove Europe out in the 1950s and 60s. The Jews were (and are) a tiny minority in Europe. They didn't have armies - they were just ordinary members of the population.

There WAS a Jewish insurgency, but it wasn't strong in numbers... and to think it could take on the might of the German army is fantasy... read this, it'll enlighten you:

You should also read Primo Levi's novel, "If Not Now, When?" which is set among the Jewish insurgency. It's informative, and a fantastic read - one of the most uplifting books I've read:

[Robches]

There was an interesting series last autumn called Hitler's Holocaust. There was Jewish resistance, both in the battle of the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, and in some of the concentration camps, where the inmates tried to rebel, and a few of them managed to escape.

The genius of the Nazis was that they never announced what they were up to, not in so many words. Over a period of years the Jews were forbidden to own weapons, then deprived of their property, then moved to ghettoes in the east, than finally moved to the camps. They were ground down over a long period, but never actually told they were going to be killed, there was always a bit of hope that they would be put to work in the camps, not exterminated. There had never been an industrial genocide the way the Nazis planned it, and they kept it as quiet as they could, so you can hardly blame the Jews for trying to cling to a bit of hope, that if they went along with their captors, things would be all right in the end. But credit to them, they did try and fight back when it became clear that there was no hope, but by that stage it was too late.

[Officer Dibble]

"Look at the way Europe swept across Africa with its superior weaponry."

Hmm, an intriguing point, Jerry. So, that being the case, just why were Europe?s weapons that much so superior?


"It took the Africans a couple of centuries to organise a resistance, and they finally drove Europe out in the 1950s"

?Drove Europe out?? You have an interesting way of looking at things, Jerry. I was under the impression that the European powers voluntarily gave up their colonies due to economic problems brought on by the 2nd World War and a changing political climate at home. Here?s a quote from Wickipedia -

?Post-war economic crisis in 1947 made many realise that the Labour government of Clement Attlee should abandon Britain's attempt to retain all of its overseas territories. The Empire was increasingly regarded as an unnecessary drain on public finances by politicians and civil servants, if not the general public.?



Officer Dibble

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