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What time period did you have in mind?

The present.

Steve R wrote:

Of course, where your argument falls flat on its face is that this is not a race issue at all.

Were Africa populated exclusively by Caucasians, the objection would be the same.

Since it is not I seriously doubt that. The negativity with regard sto this issue has led me to believe what I have said already.

As disgraceful you might think my comment is (and yes it is) lets just tell it lik eit is rather than dress it up with intellect. I honestly feel this is at the core of what some people would say if this forum was unmoderated.

"Charity stays at home".

I believe the more common expression is "charity begins at home".

When there is not one single person in this country without a roof over her/his head.

When not one person in this country dies for want of medicine, due to living in the wrong post code area.

When not one person in this country has to decide whether to eat or to allow her/his children to eat...

Then we can look further afield.

This is one the best post I've read in a long time, respect to you sir for having the time to put down and do it in a way that shows that simple shit-slinging and stirring is lazy and a bit dumb.

The way the western countries have subsidised their own agricultural industries for political gain and F**k everyone else is despicable and should be addressed sooner than later.

The other major problem is of the African's tendency to have 'leaders' (re. Mugabe) who have no genuine interest in the well-being of their fellow Africans. Once in power they definitely will not relinquish it, especially in elections as we have seen recently in Zimbabwee.
The former editor of the Telegraph, W.F.Deedes addressed this many years ago when he was told by some African that once in power that the leader would also have to provide for the rest of the 'family' by fair means or foul.
The Kenyan's have a word for this, they call the ruling elite, 'The Wabenzi's'
named after a nice German car that all the 'family' had to have.

The European's divided up Africa for political spoil without thinking of the people who were living there, and often putting one half of one tribe in one 'country' and the other in the adjoining 'country.
Imagine having to live in G.B. with half of it being French!

stripeysydney wrote:

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Might actually improve matters !grin!

- Eric

stripeysydney wrote:

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That has pretty much been the case since 1066.

Flat Eric

i took the time to read those links you sent with the exception of the last one which was down for some reason.

I read articles like this all the time and my opinion still stays the same.

My concern is that millions of people are starving and all the rest you fully know.

My argument is money has to come from somewhere for these people to stay alive on a perpetual basis.

I can agree that their is no economic growth for the people to become self sufficient but without getting deeper on this for fear of getting away from the real issue here.

I just plain believe it is a humanitarian thing to do...and had africans been all white people my opinion would not change.

It makes a change that the government is getting involved with charitable causes instead of relying from handouts from the general public.

I honestly dont believe the likes of Bono and Geldof are doing it to win brownie points in the cool department. I actually believe they do care.

You and I can argue our points and neither of us will back down for our personal beliefs but what else can we do as a solution instead of just pulling the money out and not helping?

I think the only reason people can do what they do for aid to the third world is because they can. I seriously doubt this country is going to miss 100million pounds.

No one need ever starve in Britain. The homeless are given shelter if they seek it. A lo tof these underprivileged , starving people in Africa are destitute and without hope. First things first in my mind is to line their stomachs with food and work on getting the other basics in line for them to stand on their own two feet.

The amount of debt Africa is in they will never see this becoming the light of day.

so when people start objecting, sod it lets not put any more money in to help these people, they are effectively saying for these people to just go away and die. You are a burden on our world economy.

Thankfully there are some people who care and while those articles were insightful, well one of them was just a viewpoint from an individual who no doubt is intelligent but then if he was right, why would anyone get involved by donating money to Africa?

I'd like to think inside most of us, there is some compassion for humanity regardless of their race or colour and not how much it costs to sustain human life.

people should pay attention to what it means to be human.

Hue-man. Man of colour. That is black white and everything inbetween and we have a duty to maintain life in general.

i tried to leave this debate...but they pull me right back in.

Oh and thanks to proviosionalgovt and Deuce for redressing the balance in this debate. You have proved to me I am not alone in my thoughts.