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>A party can have vast numbers of voters but if they are virtually bankrupt then what can they do?

Only last year the Labour party were 24 million pounds in debt.



They are still 16 miilion in debt.



So much for your theory then.

max_tranmere wrote:

> I saw on the news today that the BNP have caved in, just like
> the Labour Party wanted them to.

I can see the BNP making the most of this. From now on it will be " How can you call us racist when we allow, and have, black members?"

Could be a bit of an own goal from the main parties.

If I were Griffin I would be cracking open the bubbly at this news.. there are always two outcomes to a desicion like this. Just because the BNP have to let ethnic minorities join them doesn't mean it is a drawback. Think of the publicity, the extra funding.....I'm joking right! no person in thier right mind from an ethnic background would join, and even if they did, I'm sure they would never be allowed a voice until they were 'full members' this could take years, and come with having to agree to all the other BNP membership stipulations, Griffin knows this, he's laughing at it....It's a hollow victory for the government and his spin doctors. Just like everything else they do.

Hi
Re. your quote from the Telegraph that well known conservative, deeply humanitarian newspaper.
I prefer to quote from Unison
http://www.unison-scotland.org.uk/activists/asylum.html

I am not sure if you get this at all, really.

First, the Equalities and Human Rights Commission brought the case, not the Labour Party.

Second, the reason they brought the case, to put it simply, is that the BNP didnt want "niggers" (to use BNP language), joining their party and this was enshrined in their Constitution. Not surprisingly, this is unlawful for a political party which the BNP leader has been forced to accept.

Three, you are correct that this should have been done donkey's years ago, but to say about the BNP that "I would like to see them disappear aswell, but only through legitimate processes" is a bit like saying "I am so sorry that that nice Nick Griffin has been sent to jail for getting one of his heavies to give a "nigger" a good kicking". The BNP has broken the law and that is what the case is about. The Commission brought a case for discrimination against the Labour Party in 2007 so there is no particular bias here.

Four, the Black Police Association argument. Straight out of a BNP pamphlet that one. First the BPA is not a political organisation. Secondly, the NBPA quotes "The NBPA is open to all in policing on application, there is no bar to membership based on colour" T


Have a look at
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/medi ... ation-law/

It should give you more background and answer some of your points.

I would also like to point out that a few days ago, the BNP had a meeting re. a council election in Lancs. They refused black people admission on the grounds that the meeting room was full. The room was not full based on people who actually attended. If that meeting was typical, it would appear that currently if you are a "nigger" you cant even attend a BNP meeting, never mind join the party.

Cheers
D

David, when I say it is the Labour Party going after the BNP it basically is. Because they are the Government they will force things through on behalf of their own agenda, Margaret Thatcher did a lot of that in the 1980s, and they will nobble another organisation if they want to. I saw a senior figure in the BNP, Mark Collette, on TV saying he joined the organisation because when he was at University there were black student organisations, Asian student organisations, and no such similar thing to take up the cause of white students - who needed help just as much as the ethnic minority students did but did not have an equivilant organisation to help them. I said earlier I would never support the BNP and would like to see them disappear but only through legitamate processes, and I still feel very sorry for the 1m who voted for them as the organisation is being weakened more and more just because it suits the Establishment.

People would feel a lot happier if it was a level-playingfield, but sadly it is not and never will be. I cut-and-pasted a list of organsisations that I found online which ALL exclude white people and The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have NOT gone after any of them. Does this seem fair? Here is the list of racist organisations the existance of which is supported and condoned by the EHRC:

Asian Radio; BBC Asian Network; The Black Police association; Black and Asian therapists online; National BME mental health network; Federation of Black housing organisations; Asianfaces.co.uk; Asian modelling service; Society of Black and Asian lawyers; BlackLawyersDirectory.com; asianjobsite.co.uk; Barnardos Chinese Lay Health Project; BlackBritain.co.uk; Sussex Black police Association; Black students Association; UK Black teachers Association; Operation Black Vote; UK Asian business directory; Asian Peoples Disability alliance; Asian arts agency; Black Enterprise awards; BlackEngineer.com; AIM magazine; Natwest Bank (Asian Entrepreneurs Unit); Asian Voice; The Drum, African, Asian arts venue, Birmingham; Black training and enterprise group; UK Black Pride; Ethnic Minority Foundation, London; Black and Minority Ethnic Elders Group, Scotland; Latin American elderly project, London; The Black Fundraisers Network, London; Black Arts Alliance, Manchester Southall Black sisters, Middlesex; Black student union; Dudley Black regeneration council; Black Health Agency, Manchester; National Association for the advancement of Black people; African Caribbean Development agency (ACDA); African Caribbean education and training services (ACETS); Asian day centre, Nottingham; Broxtowe African Caribbean Elders group; Calabash supplementary school; Asian mens group; Naz project London; Sexual health & AIDS prevention(NPL); The National Black Writers and Artist Association; Black families education support group, Bath & Somerset; Ethnic Minority and Black Regional Action for Community Empowerment (EMBRACE),Birmingham.

There are bound to be many more but that list is very long indeed on its own. Why dont the Labour Party / the EHRC go after them? It's because the needs and feelings of certain people matter and those of others do not.

Hi Max
Have you read what I put in my thread?

You keep going on about the Labour Party/EHRC as if they are the same thing. They are not. The EHRC is independent and as I said HAS BROUGHT A CASE AGAINST THE LABOUR PARTY WHICH WENT TO THE HIGH COURT IN 2007.
Secondly you go on about your list. I repeat NONE OF THE ORGANISATIONS ARE A POLITICAL PARTY. Can't you see the idiocy of having a political party that may or may not be in a position to frame laws, which does not allow black people in the organisation?

Listen to the Youtube video on the link I gave you and that will explain the background as to why now the EHRC brought the case and why the BNP being a political party was an important factor in bringing the case

Sorry I havent got the time to continue this thread at the moment. If you dont agree, that's obviously your right.

Cheers
D

Liz i think we are living in such bizarre times i could well see ethnic people joining the BNP.

Hell I know black people who actually agree with some of the BNP s views and go on as if we never came in on the "banana boats" ourselves.

I think its fair to say that many of us Johnny Foreigners do recognise britian as a "white" country that has allowed us to settle here a few generations down the line and grew up with some of those die hard grumpy old "racist" bastards, and Ive held my own among the best of them over drinks and jokes.

I can see why a whol eload of seemingly traditional white folk are joining simply because they are pissed off because they feel let down by the Tories and Labour.

That should be an alarm call in itself that Britain cannot keep accepting political refugees and allowing housing and welfare without some kind of upsetting of the local natives.

I think just even the mere mention of immigrants and paying for their welfare has put me on the "racist" accusation radar. (Phew! Good job I iz black den innit?)

Im just saying I can understand. Doesnt mean I also condone.

If there was people of colour working for the BNP I doubt they would let them in for the real meetings where the most ardent supporters must hate the sight of anyone with dark hair and skin colour less than white because lets face it, the real racists hate people simply because of the colour of their skin and thats the deepest level of hate there is because it cannot be remedied easily

You're right Tel, I work with many black musicians who are far more right wing and reactionary than me, like you say they are 2/3 generation, they fucking hate this government thats for sure, and many of them have real conservative views (scary) this must have come from thier grandparents I reckon. I remember a few years back attending my Godson's christening at a church in the moss side area, it was a a real eye opener, me and Ms Liz were the only white people in the place...the preacher was all fire and brimstone, and it was all directed at us- sat on the front pew with his dad, I enjoyed his rant, and at the end when we were leaving, he actually thanked us for being there. I remember saying to Ms Liz, "fuck me, if he says were black, were black..lol

you seem obsessed with the word nigger.you claim it is BNP language.please could you post a link to some BNP manifesto or joining criteria where it uses this offensive language?if not can you please stop using it and accusing others of using it.As for the EHRC being independent where do you think it gets its funding from and who appoints people to work there?they follow the instructions of their political masters which are the labour party.you claim that at a recent BNP meeting they refused entry to black people.can you back this up with proof?i would have thought that a party such as them who suffer from repeated violent attacks by the UAF which definetly are funded by the labour party would be careful about who they admited to their meetings and they would probably be restricted to party members and their guests thereby a situation could arise where people who werent at this present time members who also happened to be black were unable to gain admission