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I do practice "safe sex" in such situations...

But forst off, please let me answer the thing about "shallow and unsatisfactory" - yes... some encounters - generally the drunken ones are shallow, forgettable and rather pointless... I tend not to go there these days - rather have a good laugh and a few pints... but other times - the sex can be electric... I've never been bitten by the relationship bug, so I don't really know what sex inside a really committed relationship is like- but if it can beat some of my encounters - well... sign me up for marriage sir!

But onto the "nasty diseases" point.... it's all a matter of weighing up the risks against your perceived benefits... I mean - just look at the hullaballoo over this SARS!

I'm comfortable with the risks... I minimise my exposure to a level I feel comfortable with - i.e. I take all practical precautions whilst still living as full a life as I can....

For what it's worth - and I do know a bit (but only a bit) about bio-hazards and personal protection (most firefighters, like myself, have Hep "B" jabs and boosters, wear surgical gloves at RTAs, wear eye protection when confronted with body fluids - the eye being the most susceptible route of infection, have to be HIV tested when we suffer unfortunate needle-stick injuries at fires in drug dens/crack houses) - I'll give my opinion on the SARS....

It WILL run it's course... all the info we've been given is thus - it is highly infectious - more so than HIV - about the same as Hep B but substantially less infectios than Flu - i.e. you're less likely to catch SARS from a criier than you are to catch flu from a carrier...

It is NOT a disease that lives with you for life - like HIV or Hep B - it's like Flu, only worse - worse even than pneumonia... it's runs its course on ya, then it clears your system.

Only 5% of cases are fatal - a bee sting is more likely to kill you...

The real danger is the weak, the already ill, the elderly and those from lesser developed nations...

Here in the UK and the developed world - we're falling victim to the hype.

I cetainly agree with your last point: there is a very lucrative AIDS
'industry', which tends to rapidly squelch conflicting views, and SARS is another Heaven-sent bandwagon for these guys: though I wouldn't go so far as to agree with Thabo Mbeki that it's all the the result of Bad Juju......
....don't mind me: I was just musing, as I'm wont to do.
As to 'relationship-sex': just think about it.......practice makes perfect, eh? That said, all that ancillary baggage can be a real drag..........

"I am always surprised that so many of the guys who post here seem to think prostitution is demeaning and yet porn is not. "

Knob heads! These types of geezers have deep-seated problems on how they view women. These attitudes to prostitution probably seeped into their consciousness 25 years ago when there certainly was a misogynistic, macho, working-class culture that said your bird had to be prim, proper, keep her trap shut and look after the cooking 'n' cleaning. The attractive vivacious birds you actually fancied were just for shagging and bragging to your mates about. It was considered the macho thing to do to pretend that you didn?t care about these flashy birds and you could laughingly refer to them as tarts and slags. Although the working-class culture of the mid 1970?s has now almost faded away, the echoes of it can sometimes still be heard. I'm occasionally shocked to hear my porno colleagues, who on the face of it are intelligent liberal geezers, refer to models and escorts girls as 'tarts' or 'slags' simply because of the job they do. These are the deep-seated cultural values that were brainwashed into them 20 or more years ago unexpectedly bubbling up to the surface.

I guess some will say "Hold on Dibble, you're always having a go at girls as well." But let me put one thing straight, I never have a go at a girl because of her sex business occupation - I respect sex workers as much as I would a lady doctor or lawyer. It's low standards that I detest and there's been a lot of that about lately. So if a porno girl looks, talks and acts like an unattractive, under achieving slappa. I'll say so, because that's the reality. It's not because of their chosen occupation or that I hate 'wimin' as some have occasionally tried to suggest. It goes for geezers just the same - if a geezer doesn?t come up to certain expectations I may brand him and idiot, knob head or 'waster'. It's a standards issue with me, not a gender issue.

"I had an email from someone who was saying how upset he was because one of his favourite porn stars was doing escort work."

What a sad boy!

"There?s nothing more annoying than porn fans who suddenly get all moral and start looking down there noses at escorts and twittering on about girls lowering their standards."

Not arf! I mean, "Lowering their standards?" Have you seen what some of those birds let geezers do to them in those gonzo movies? Have they no self-respect? They're not my idea of an adorable, classy bird that you can respect and feel positive about, and in general video punters feel the same. I can't think of one gonzo type bird who punters have wrote in about requesting to see more of and you certainly couldn't sell a movie simply on the basis that a gonzo model starred in it, but we still get regular requests for more Louise Hodges or Teresa May.

If a girl wants to be a model or and escort girl, then great! But she should do it well, paying serious attention to her appearance clothes, deportment and make-up. Then she would have my undying admiration and appreciation. But if she were to turn up looking like a porn slappa, then I regret I might have to tell her to "Naff off luv! There's no way. No way!"

Dibble

So your agreeing with me then Dibble? Wait till I tell them about this at the liberal handwinging club.

They'll lynch you.
And quite right, too.

Some UK pornstars do work as escorts, just check out the photogirls web site, you'll see familiar faces over there, fact of the matter is, its good if thats what they like to do, why the censorship over the web link anyways?

Why NO posts from female UK 'pornstars' on this topic?????

You do like pushing your luck, don't you?
Yes, we all know some of them do/did it, yes we mostly know who they are. And no, we couldn't give a toss........
The mods. have already made their position on this topic abundantly clear.

What's withis !Labelling" obsession
Hundreds of words/views/opinions above. most -quite correct.
I once paid a respected member of the bar ?1000 p/day to represent me. Then the judge fucked me.
Whilst they were sherrying it up in Chambers and I was enjoying a brew courtesy of Her Majesty, I doubt if anyone was called a pimp or prostitute.
(Couple of other things in the case of said Judge) but then I was slightly biased.

flaminco, there are scores of other places to air your daft passion

In the end if the women who do one or the other or even both (porn & escort) enjoy what they are doing, & it give's them pleasure then it's purely up to them.

Hey man, It's not often I do disagree with you. Apart from our appreciation (or non appreciation as the case may be) of Mrs T our dispositions and worldview?s seem pretty much in synch.

Dibble.