Vote Labour ...for the sake of the country !

[randyandy]

I don't often reply after I've put when I want a comment from an arse I'll fart but as there is nothing on the tv at the moment:

I actually know more about the real world than you ever will.

I don't make things up to look clever and I don't make pathetic noises to look big.

The organization I am with is quite large and national, very easy to find especially for employers, if indeed you are one which I suspect is just bollocks and helps people with disability or who are / have been long term sick but are now looking to get back into work.

Their biggest battle is with assumptions by arseholes that them being on benefits is because they are lazy, scroungers and other poncy excuses listed by idiots like yourself.

Some even have difficulties being accepted by voluntary organizations which is another road used to get experience and step on the back into work ladder because morons like yourself have given them such low opinions of themselves they struggle at interview level if they are lucky enough (as they see it) to get one.

IF you are an employer looking for people who want to work, especially one so concerned about benefit payments and not just some mouthy prick I suggest you look either my organization or another similar up and do as I said some posts earlier and employ them.

You may even find people with better skills than your current Polish employees, whose end income will remain in the UK and some who may even be able to run your company (if it exists) better than you currently are.


BTW My solution to benefits is to stop them. Remove the name 'benefit' and turn it into a supported community payment that is only paid on attendance for communal work. The sick and disabled becoming a completely separate issue.

The aim being that the communal work leads to full time employment.

That doesn't turn your chavs into roadsweepers etc it assess their skills and puts them in work where skills can be developed or enhanced (administration, home repairs, highway maintenance, catering etc in local councils and partner organizations) with the 'road sweeping' options being reserved for those wishing to do it and those not willing to do anything.

This communal pool could be accessed by employers with safeguards in place which makes those seeking to exploit it unable to do it.

The communal payment being limited to 6 months with it being stopped IF the 'chav' has not done all that is possible to find work.

[Sam Slater]

I don't see how building new council homes is putting money directly into the economy. And if you didn't mean that, then what do you mean? At what rung on the economic ladder does the money go? Wouldn't such a direct stimulus cause a bigger likelihood of inflation? I might be talking shit, here, as economics really is something I've not been interested in. I'm ignorant here and don't mind admitting it.

You seem to know more, though, so I hope you can fill me in a little more. I might even change my mind!

One other thing: Who do you think the Tories would give this money to? Would they invest more in council housing than Labour are currently doing? Would the Tories really have left the bankers out to rot if they'd have been in power?

Really?

[number 6]

One thing is for sure,the tories certainly wouldn't invest more in council housing,they would cut more.

[planeterotica]

I remember in a previous downturn former labour prime minister Harold Wilson saying put the money in the peoples pockets and let it work for itself, i dont know but i guess that is what a tory goverment would do Gordon Brown would never do this as he is a control freak, and yes this would cause inflation but that is always the outcome of a recession as it wipes out most of the debt and with the stimulas that this present goverment is doing you could easily end up with double digit inflation wiping out the value of your savings.

[Sam Slater]

After years and years of growth this recession was always going to come. It was just a matter of times really. What's debatable is how hard the recession would have bit if the Tories had been in power when it happened. The reason it's hit harder here than in countries like France is that France never had the same amount of growth we had previous to it.

Since the Tories are all about small government then it's a little disingenuous to claim the Tories would have regulated the banking sector, and debt, more rigorously. The Tories, with hindsight, can bleat all they want but we all know the truth. All this criticism is just political point scoring, and to be fair, all parties and voters do this.

I'm not a Labour man, btw. I didn't vote for anyone in the last election. The Lib Dems are in round my way but while they have some good policies on paper, I'm like most in being a little worried that in reality they might be a little out of their depth if they got into power.

As no6 said: the Tories would in no way raise spending on council housing. It goes against everything they stand for.

[nasty]

I dunno, I think this may have been the case years ago. But Labour and the Conservatives have both moved to the centre and are basically the same parties now, just with different coloured ties.

[nasty]

Forgot to add, they both seem to come up with policies that they think win current public opinion rather than policies that come from their political ideologies.