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Sam Slater
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Re: Brown and out..
[quote]They don't pay council tax.[/quote]
I think that if they have no other income from savings, etc, they get that covered(mostly?).
[quote]They don't have to use electricity.[/quote]
Over 65s get ?250 extra a year to cover fuel, and ?25 extra everytime the temperature drops below a certain amount, a few days a month (or something like that) Over 80s get ?400 per year.
Water costs are hardly going to see them with no money.
The government and taxpayers are hardly responsible for mortgage payments.
A car is a luxury when they can travel on public transport for free (if they find it difficult walking they can get disability on top of their pension and one of those motor scooter thingymijigs so they can run people over and cause mayhem.
Insurance policies are a luxury.
Holidays are a luxury. If you want holidays in retirement then that's what saving up for retirement is all about. The taxpayer shouldn't pay for pensioners to piss off to Greece for the summer!
Clothes are essential, but they hardly grow out of them or get holes in their jeans from climbing trees like kids do (and a single mum would have to worry about).
Food is fuck all out of ?120 a week. I reiterate, I could live off ?40 a week if I needed to and a fully grown adult needs more calories than a 70 year old pensioner (and that my friend is a fact).
As for drinking: you're having a bubble. If they're going cold over the winter just so they can get pissed more often then that's their luck out. People on here complain that we give asylum seekers free medical treatment but are happy to pay for pensioners to get rat-arsed in their old age? Ha-ha-ha!
Single mums and people on the dole might be separate issues, Eric, but they're also human beings. You can still die of hypothermia at 20-60 and after 65 you don't start needing to eat more.
It looks like I'm pensioner bashing here, and that I'd have them all working down the mines for their keep or something.... I'm not! I'm just saying they have more than enough money to avoid dying from the cold over winter. Of course, if they're pissing it up the wall in Greece, have a 4 bedroom detached and a Chelsea tractor to run, and all on a basic national pension then they're going to struggle, but that pension is for food, a roof over their heads and keeping warm first.
Toodle-pip.
I think that if they have no other income from savings, etc, they get that covered(mostly?).
[quote]They don't have to use electricity.[/quote]
Over 65s get ?250 extra a year to cover fuel, and ?25 extra everytime the temperature drops below a certain amount, a few days a month (or something like that) Over 80s get ?400 per year.
Water costs are hardly going to see them with no money.
The government and taxpayers are hardly responsible for mortgage payments.
A car is a luxury when they can travel on public transport for free (if they find it difficult walking they can get disability on top of their pension and one of those motor scooter thingymijigs so they can run people over and cause mayhem.
Insurance policies are a luxury.
Holidays are a luxury. If you want holidays in retirement then that's what saving up for retirement is all about. The taxpayer shouldn't pay for pensioners to piss off to Greece for the summer!
Clothes are essential, but they hardly grow out of them or get holes in their jeans from climbing trees like kids do (and a single mum would have to worry about).
Food is fuck all out of ?120 a week. I reiterate, I could live off ?40 a week if I needed to and a fully grown adult needs more calories than a 70 year old pensioner (and that my friend is a fact).
As for drinking: you're having a bubble. If they're going cold over the winter just so they can get pissed more often then that's their luck out. People on here complain that we give asylum seekers free medical treatment but are happy to pay for pensioners to get rat-arsed in their old age? Ha-ha-ha!
Single mums and people on the dole might be separate issues, Eric, but they're also human beings. You can still die of hypothermia at 20-60 and after 65 you don't start needing to eat more.
It looks like I'm pensioner bashing here, and that I'd have them all working down the mines for their keep or something.... I'm not! I'm just saying they have more than enough money to avoid dying from the cold over winter. Of course, if they're pissing it up the wall in Greece, have a 4 bedroom detached and a Chelsea tractor to run, and all on a basic national pension then they're going to struggle, but that pension is for food, a roof over their heads and keeping warm first.
Toodle-pip.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: Brown and out..
Sam Slater wrote:
>>>I'm just saying they have more than enough money to avoid dying from the cold over winter.<<<
No Sam - you're just arguing for the sake of it (not for the first time, eh)?
Because what you're essentially saying is that there's no such thing as pensioner poverty because (a) your mate has enough to get by, and (b) you yourself only spend X amount a week on food.
And as for drinking, I'm not even talking about pissing it up in Greece, Sam. That wasn't what I meant, perhaps I should have put "food and drink" under one point just to be clear. And as for going out yes, foreign holidays are a luxury at *any* age really, but I'm talking mainly about a day out in the Peaks, a weekend in Southport (or some other wrinklies' coastal retreat) or a trip into town occasionally. Would you begrudge them that after a lifetime's hard graft?
Yes you can still (theoretically) die of hypothermia at 20, but pensioners are more vulnerable to the cold and to cold-relted health issues than younger people.
In case you weren't aware, good nutrition is still important as you age (if not more so), because as you get older your immune system declines with age, and as you should know ("and this my friend is a fact") decent nosh is a key factor in maintaining the immune system.
Maybe you'd have 'em all living on own brand baked beans and spam.
But no matter: the age concern charities, large swathes the public and even the official definition of what constitutes poverty must have it all wrong I suppose (even the government accepts there's a problem, what is it 2 million pensioners below the official poverty line, something like that).
Nah, bollocks to all that - Sam Slater's the man with all the answers. He knows the score.
- Eric
>>>I'm just saying they have more than enough money to avoid dying from the cold over winter.<<<
No Sam - you're just arguing for the sake of it (not for the first time, eh)?
Because what you're essentially saying is that there's no such thing as pensioner poverty because (a) your mate has enough to get by, and (b) you yourself only spend X amount a week on food.
And as for drinking, I'm not even talking about pissing it up in Greece, Sam. That wasn't what I meant, perhaps I should have put "food and drink" under one point just to be clear. And as for going out yes, foreign holidays are a luxury at *any* age really, but I'm talking mainly about a day out in the Peaks, a weekend in Southport (or some other wrinklies' coastal retreat) or a trip into town occasionally. Would you begrudge them that after a lifetime's hard graft?
Yes you can still (theoretically) die of hypothermia at 20, but pensioners are more vulnerable to the cold and to cold-relted health issues than younger people.
In case you weren't aware, good nutrition is still important as you age (if not more so), because as you get older your immune system declines with age, and as you should know ("and this my friend is a fact") decent nosh is a key factor in maintaining the immune system.
Maybe you'd have 'em all living on own brand baked beans and spam.
But no matter: the age concern charities, large swathes the public and even the official definition of what constitutes poverty must have it all wrong I suppose (even the government accepts there's a problem, what is it 2 million pensioners below the official poverty line, something like that).
Nah, bollocks to all that - Sam Slater's the man with all the answers. He knows the score.
- Eric
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Re: Back to the 50s with the Tories
Sam Slater wrote:
> Pensioners get enough money for fuel. Full stop.
Depends both on the size of the house and its current gas/electric heating system. Full stop.
Still, they could always move, eh.
> Pensioners get enough money for fuel. Full stop.
Depends both on the size of the house and its current gas/electric heating system. Full stop.
Still, they could always move, eh.
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Re: Brown and out..
Don't really want to jump in on your conversation with Sam Eric but thought this may be an interesting read for you:
Re: Brown and out..
Andy, I think it's a given that there'll be cuts (and tax rises) **whoever** wins the election.
To try and pretend otherwise is delusional.
- Eric
To try and pretend otherwise is delusional.
- Eric
Re: Brown and out..
Flat_Eric wrote:
> Andy, I think it's a given that there'll be cuts (and tax
> rises) **whoever** wins the election.
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> To try and pretend otherwise is delusional.
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> - Eric
Eric if that is the case I trust we won't be hearing anymore references from NuTory related to care or caring.
Scrapping builds of the scale Green Dave suggests means then end of places like Barrow.
I know Mrs T loved to destroy entire communities with a brush of Hesletines pen but thought Green Dave was being sold as a caring Tory.
No work leads to lots of things including family brakedown and as that is one of his other flagships it's good that true beliefs are now being shown.
Also good to see your admition about tax rises. Green Dave is currently saying that county council tax will be frozen - if he's elected.
That's another bribe and probably the reason why my Tory council has increased our Borough Council tax before he gets in.
Can't let the glorious one look bad can we !laugh!
> Andy, I think it's a given that there'll be cuts (and tax
> rises) **whoever** wins the election.
>
> To try and pretend otherwise is delusional.
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> - Eric
Eric if that is the case I trust we won't be hearing anymore references from NuTory related to care or caring.
Scrapping builds of the scale Green Dave suggests means then end of places like Barrow.
I know Mrs T loved to destroy entire communities with a brush of Hesletines pen but thought Green Dave was being sold as a caring Tory.
No work leads to lots of things including family brakedown and as that is one of his other flagships it's good that true beliefs are now being shown.
Also good to see your admition about tax rises. Green Dave is currently saying that county council tax will be frozen - if he's elected.
That's another bribe and probably the reason why my Tory council has increased our Borough Council tax before he gets in.
Can't let the glorious one look bad can we !laugh!
Re: Brown and out..
randyandy wrote:
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And this coming from a member of a party whose policies for the past decade have been deliberately aimed at destroying rual communities through a whole series of cuts to and closures of the amenities serving them (post offices, schools, hospitals).
Hilarious!!
Deny it all you like Andy (and no doubt you will), but even if by some miracle NuLab do get re-elected, their cuts and tax hikes will be every bit as ruthless as any that CameraOn & Co. may have up their sleeves.
- Eric
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And this coming from a member of a party whose policies for the past decade have been deliberately aimed at destroying rual communities through a whole series of cuts to and closures of the amenities serving them (post offices, schools, hospitals).
Hilarious!!
Deny it all you like Andy (and no doubt you will), but even if by some miracle NuLab do get re-elected, their cuts and tax hikes will be every bit as ruthless as any that CameraOn & Co. may have up their sleeves.
- Eric
Re: Brown and out..
randyandy wrote:
> Don't really want to jump in on your conversation with Sam Eric
> but thought this may be an interesting read for you:
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So the Mirror's now infavour of Trident and new aircraft carriers? There's a turn up for the book. Who buys this rag? I read a copy down my local Chinese takeaway in about five minutes, so I don't think they are in much of a position to talk about value for money!
> Don't really want to jump in on your conversation with Sam Eric
> but thought this may be an interesting read for you:
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So the Mirror's now infavour of Trident and new aircraft carriers? There's a turn up for the book. Who buys this rag? I read a copy down my local Chinese takeaway in about five minutes, so I don't think they are in much of a position to talk about value for money!
Re: Back to the 50s with the Colonel.
I was being facetitious anyway!