The government has finally broken the BNP...

[David Johnson]

Hi Davey,
"you seem obsessed with the word nigger.you claim it is BNP language.please could you post a link to some BNP manifesto or joining criteria where it uses this offensive language?if not can you please stop using it and accusing others of using it."
The BNP is a racist party. How else can you explain that given the terms of their Constitution which bans coloured people from joining and states that their objective is to turn the clocks back to a time before the West Indian migrations of the 50's and 60's? WIthin the supporters of the BNP racism is widespread. I recall a particularly entertaining TV program around BNP activists which was shown on television, where various insulting remarks were made about black people. The BNP leadership is pursuing a softly, softly policy so obviously these insults would not be included in their leaflets. They want to give the impression that they are just like any other British party. They aren't which is why the EHRC brought their case.

"As for the EHRC being independent where do you think it gets its funding from and who appoints people to work there?they follow the instructions of their political masters which are the labour party"
If that is the situation, please tell me why the EHRC brought a case against the LABOUR party in 2007 re. discrimination which went to the High Court. If the Labour party is their master, why would they be allowed to do this?

"you claim that at a recent BNP meeting they refused entry to black people.can you back this up with proof?"
In the Blackpool Evening Gazette of Thursday, October 15th there was a report about a BNP meeting designed to set up a new group in the area. A Gazette reporter attended this meeting. The following are exact quotes from the report.
"While inside the building the recruitment drive was in full flow. It was a different story outside as four people got turned away. All were either black or Asian. There were no members of the ethnic minorities inside. As I left a security guard told me - after a while it was getting full up so we decided it had to be members only. The reporter then says "Strange that as I was given a seat all to myself and I'm not a member. And I swear that there was plenty of space"
Maybe it was some of the comments inside that the BNP wanted to shield black and Asian people from. Again I quote "About six peiople put their hands up to request an application form to become a BNP member. One convert shouts "I'll have an application form, but not a coloured one!" It was greeted with laughter by most of the audience"

I will let you know if the BNP bring a libel charge against the Gazette, but I doubt it somehow.

Cheers
David

[David Johnson]

Here's another example of the fine and upstanding people the BNP has in the party. This went against the softly softly policy orchestrated by that well known Holocaust denier, Nick Griffin so they had to get rid of their Salford BNP organiser. Apparently said BNP candidate was sick of "wogs" everywhere.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... faces_sack

[David Johnson]

And finally,
this is an extract from the BNP Language and Concepts Discipline Manual

Rule #15. BNP activists and writers should never refer to ?black Britons? or ?Asian Britons? etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist. These people are ?black residents? of the UK etc, and are no more British than an Englishman living in Hong Kong is Chinese. Collectively, foreign residents of other races should be referred to as ?racial foreigners?, a non-pejorative term that makes clear the distinction needing to be drawn. The key in such matters is above all to maintain necessary distinctions while avoiding provocation and insult.

There you go OEJ, you aren't a black Briton at all. You don't exist.

As a result of the Nick Griffin, softly, softly approach i.e. put a thug in a suit etc, this was changed circa April 2009. So OEJ, you may exist now or possibly not. Your local BNP organiser may be able to offer advice and even welcome you with open arms! However their overiding aim, enshrined in the BNP constitution is to get you shipped out of the country asap.

Of course, the BNP is not a racist party, lol!

Cheers
D

[max_tranmere]

David, I am aware that none of the organisations on that list are political parties, but I can gauarentee you that a whites-only non political organisation would have the EHRC and the media come down on them like a ton of bricks. If someone, in Tower Hamlets in east London, set up a white persons social group and called it the Tower Hamlets White Elders Society (THWES) and only allowed white old people to join it, it would be all over the media, Sky and the BBC would do everything they could to vilify this organisation, government ministers would comment, the organisation would be closed down and the people who started it would have their lives and reputations ruined. The hypothetcial THWES would not have been a politial body either.

Next: they may have gone after the Labour Party but their pursuit of the BNP was a political thing where the Labour Government leant on them to do it. The government of the day can pressure and demand that any official body goes after anyone. If Brown calls the leader of the EHRC into his office and 'requests' that he 'might consider looking into the whites-only policy that the BNP has' , the EHRC leader will interpret that, in the exact way that Brown would have wanted him to interpret it, which is 'I'm instructing you to do this'. Brown will then say, and this will confirm that this 'request' was actually a command, he will say 'let me know how you get on' .

The Labour Party and the EHRC are of course not the same thing but the rulers of the land can mobilise an organisation for its own politcal desires if it wants to. Margaret Thatcher politicised the Police several times, for her own political ends, in the 1980's. She had private meetings with the media baron Rupert Murdoch and in return for him agreeing to back her in his News International newspapers (particularly The Sun) she agreed to station huge numbers of Police at his Wapping plant in London, as the place was under siege and none of the people inside were able to get out. The Police were Thatcher's private political army for things like that and it happened on another occasion - when she wanted the Miners Union broken. A government can largely do whatever it likes, for its own political reasons.

[justincyder]

I think alot of people are 'racist' through good old fashioned ignorance.

This is continually fuelled by the ever whimsical press predominantly the tabloid press for thicko's who are forever going on about ooo so many immigrants blah blah blah one minute then ooo isn't it terrible the poor immigrants the next.

Your average white British thicko will believe what he's told by any paper sporting a red title banner, as he/she is usually unable to formulate an opinion for themselves based on logic and sensible reasoning.

I've no idea of the intricacies of the BNP mandate but what this country is crying out for is a party who is prepared to stop whaling out vast sums of money to spongers and general scroungers.

Personally I don't give a flying fig what colour someone is if they want to come to this country to work and make a better life for themselves, their family and more importantly be part of the greater community then my arms are open in wide welcome.

However if you come here with the sole purpose to do fuck all, contribute fuck all and generally be a nuiscance then I'm definitely in favour of a large catapult to fire you back to wherever you came from and while you're at it take some of our own self-bred lazy scrounging white trash with you too.

In fact perhaps this country would be better off exchanging hard working foreigners for our uneducatable fuckwits on a 1 for 1 basis.

Id be happy with that.

[David Johnson]

Max
"David, I am aware that none of the organisations on that list are political parties, but I can gauarentee you that a whites-only non political organisation would have the EHRC and the media come down on them like a ton of bricks. If someone, in Tower Hamlets in east London, set up a white persons social group and called it the Tower Hamlets White Elders Society (THWES) and only allowed white old people to join it, it would be all over the media, Sky and the BBC would do everything they could to vilify this organisation, government ministers would comment, the organisation would be closed down and the people who started it would have their lives and reputations ruined. The hypothetcial THWES would not have been a politial body either."

Max, I can't have a discussion with someone who invents a scenario as proof of their argument as you do above.

"Next: they may have gone after the Labour Party but their pursuit of the BNP was a political thing where the Labour Government leant on them to do it"

This seems a bit of an unlikely argument doesn't it? Labour Party "Okay you can sue us for discrimination and take us to the High Court but now we are going to make you bring a case against the BNP" Please state your proof for this bizarre claim.

[max_tranmere]

David. Since there has never been a whitesonly group that has set itself up and barred non whites from joining, there has never been a test-case for this. But what does your common sense tell you? Have a look at how ethnic minorities can be as racist as they like, yet the slightest little bit of it from the, for want of a better term, the indigeonous population, and the wrath of the gods comes down on them. There is greater interest from politicans, senior Police figures and the media when these things happen, so what do you think would be the outcome if some old white folks set up a whites-only group in Tower Hamlets as I discussed earlier?

Also, I believe the EHRC going after the BNP recently WAS political. I saw a BNP spokesman on TV this week saying that even the Judge in the Court questioned why the EHRC have done it now when they had 27 years to do it before. There is a funny relationship between central government and other bodies of State. Tony Blair had the power to send the Army into war, to stop all air-traffic flying across London for several days after 11 September 2001, yet when a tabloid pap took a picture of his kid when they were on holiday, he made a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission about it - in that situation operating like a humble citizen with very little power.

Do you really think the EHRC just decided to pursue the BNP because it felt like it? It could have done it at anytime since 1982 but because they have gained a lot of political ground recently they would have been 'encouraged' to do it by the Government. It is no good you responding by saying 'where is your evidence for this' because I obviously have none, but using my common sense and using my knowledge of how the Westmister machine works (I was a Civil Servant for many years in Westminster), trust me when I say it would have been a case of the EHRC having it said to them that 'they might want to look at the BNP's whites-only policy' and they would have taken this as an instruction and those in Downing Street saying these hinting, but no terrible commanding words on the face of it, would have known the EHRC would have interpretted it as an instruction.

[max_tranmere]

What do people think about the BNP's leader Nick Griffin appearing on the BBC's Question Time this Thursday? It might have been interesting to hear what the guy had to say but I wont be watching. It is PC gone mad to have Bonnie Greer on the panel - a 61 year old American who has lived here since she was 38. Do people think that if one of us was to go to the States and settle down that one of the top broadcasters there would have us on a TV show and allow us to say 'this should happen, that should happen' with regard to the internal workings of America? I doubt it, yet that happens here. The BBC has intentionally done this, and for fear of being called racist by allowing Griffin on they have not only gone out of their way to have a very ethnically mixed panel, but also to make sure some are foreign.

The show this Thursday will just be lots of shouting, constant interuptions where the Labour Party's UAF organisation - who will one after another be ejected because of their outbursts. Griffin will be having to constantly try and justify himself to someone who isnt even from here and who moved here from the USA. I feel very sorry for the 1m who voted BNP this year, as I said earlier - what they are getting now, with regard to what the Establishment has done to them recently and what that means for those voters. These people felt politically lost and ignored (working class families in certain parts of the north who voted BNP as none of the main 3 parties cared less about them) and are now having the political investment that they gave to this organisaton largely taken away as it suits the Establishment. I also think it is very very wrong to have a forgeign person on a British TV show and people whose families have been in this country for god knows how long have to justify to this American person (Greer) their position and more or less grovel for her approval. How f***ed up is that?

[Sam Slater]

Do you know what, Max? I've been a member of this forum for a good 5 years and in all that time we've had debates on racial issues now and again. This past 12 months, though, the amount of threads started, or posts relating/referring to these same issues and the BNP, have seemed to crop up much more frequently.

Out of all these threads referring to the BNP and issues related to their policies, etc., it seems to be you who either starts them or is the major contributor to the debates. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but in most of the contributions from you I've gotten an impression, not of admiration of the BNP, nor a defence of them, but a general sense of sympathy.

Is that a fair assessment?