Brown and out..

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randyandy
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Re: Brown and out..

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Robches wrote:

> randyandy wrote:
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> > Don't really want to jump in on your conversation with Sam
> Eric
> > but thought this may be an interesting read for you:
> >
> >
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> So the Mirror's now infavour of Trident and new aircraft
> carriers? There's a turn up for the book. Who buys this rag? I
> read a copy down my local Chinese takeaway in about five
> minutes, so I don't think they are in much of a position to
> talk about value for money!

I am surprised it took you that long Robches!

The link was used to reply to Eric's use of newspaper links which if you've read any of my other posts explain the problems with the media.
randyandy
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Re: Brown and out..

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Flat_Eric wrote:

> randyandy wrote:
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> brush of Hesletines pen .... >>>>
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>
> And this coming from a member of a party whose policies for the
> past decade have been deliberately aimed at destroying rual
> communities through a whole series of cuts to and closures of
> the amenities serving them (post offices, schools, hospitals).
>
> Hilarious!!
>
> Deny it all you like Andy (and no doubt you will), but even if
> by some miracle NuLab do get re-elected, their cuts and tax
> hikes will be every bit as ruthless as any that CameraOn & Co.
> may have up their sleeves.
>
> - Eric
>
>


Eric There is nothing "hilarious" about it. I won't deny anything what I will do is correct the smug "things will be a lot more lovely with Green Dave in charge".

I am against hospital and school closures, dependant on need but not against the post office ones, if you're referring to the counters. Just for info there is a huge difference between a Post Office and a Post Office counter.

They are not viable as a Royal Mail business, which, when you get through the smoke screen from those who think they should remain open, is reality.

No doubt the meeting place / shop blah blahs will follow but that's not their role and if that type of thing is wanted and is viable then someone in the community would run them as that type of concern.

That said do please tell what Green Dave's view is.

Let me guess "tough choices, which he isn't afraid to take"

If that is the case why is it acceptable to you for him to take them but as you put it not for NULabour? !confused!

Sam Slater
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Re: Brown and out..

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[quote]No Sam - you're just arguing for the sake of it (not for the first time, eh)?[/quote]

No I'm not. I'm 'arguing' because I think I have a point. You'd make a crap Derren Brown.

[quote]Because what you're essentially saying is that there's no such thing as pensioner poverty because (a) your mate has enough to get by, and (b) you yourself only spend X amount a week on food.[/quote]

I'm not saying that there's no such thing as pensioner poverty. I'm saying that if they do end up in poverty it is more to do with their own individual circumstances rather than the government not giving them enough money. As for my eating habits: well, I eat healthily and well, thanks. If I can do it on less than ?50 a week then I'm obviously going to wonder why others cannot.

[quote]I'm talking mainly about a day out in the Peaks, a weekend in Southport (or some other wrinklies' coastal retreat) or a trip into town occasionally. Would you begrudge them that after a lifetime's hard graft?[/quote]

No, I wouldn't deny them a day out in the Peaks. My whole argument is based on the belief that pensioners are given enough to pay their fuel bills and eat well. I'm standing by that. If they want to complain about the 'quality' of their lives then I'm all ears and will more than likely agree. I'm not a Tory from the late 80s that wanted to means-test all benefits. Please remember that. It just pisses me off when people say pensioners are dying of hypothermia because the government doesn't give out enough cash. That's bollocks.

[quote]Yes you can still (theoretically) die of hypothermia at 20,[/quote]

Nothing theoretical about it, Eric. 20 years olds have in the past and will in the future die of hypothermia. Theory stops being theory when it is proven as fact.

[quote]In case you weren't aware, good nutrition is still important as you age (if not more so), because as you get older your immune system declines with age, and as you should know ("and this my friend is a fact") decent nosh is a key factor in maintaining the immune system.[/quote]

I'm experienced enough in nutrition, Eric, to know, thanks. And this is why I know that ?120pw is enough for any one person to feed and warm themselves.

Again: If you want to argue ?120pw doesn't give pensioners a good quality of life in their declining years then I'm with you; you'll have no arguments from me. However, if you're saying they can't afford the heating, or have enough for food then as you know, I'd disagree.

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Flat_Eric
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Re: Brown and out..

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So basically Sam - to sum up it all up - what you're saying is this:

1) You're an expert on diet and nutrition.

2) That 120 quid a week is more than enough for everybody (no matter what age) to feed and warm themselves **BECAUSE IT IS FOR SAM SLATER**.

3) That on average, a 20 year-old is just as likely to die from hypothermia as OAP (and thus, presumably, that just as many of them do).

4) That if a pensioner freezes to death over the winter, it's their own fucking fault because **SAM SLATER** can keep himself adequately warm on that sort of money so why the fuck can't they (never mind the fact that the human body becomes more susceptible to cold as we age).

5) That pensioner poverty is entirely self-inflicted.

6) **SAM SLATER** spends less than 50 quid a week on food, so why the fuck can't everyone else manage on that?

7) A **UNIVERSAL SAM SLATER TEST** would be a far better and more accurate way of assessing pensioners' needs than any Means Test ever could.

8) Why can't everyone be like **SAM SLATER**?

Please correct me if I've got any of that wrong.

- Eric

Sam Slater
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Re: Brown and out..

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[quote]So basically Sam - to sum up it all up - what you're saying is this:

1) You're an expert on diet and nutrition.[/quote]

Well, I was an amateur thai boxer for 6 years and know enough about nutrition to go 3 5min rounds using punches, kicks, knees, elbows and a bit of wrestling. I've run 3 half marathons in 1:25 - 1:32 mins, an 18 mile cross country run over the dark peak as well as other stuff. I also managed other fighters' nutrition for about 2 years and they always made their weight and went in the ring fighting fit.

I'm now doing a degree in physiotherapy which involves a little knowledge of nutrition, and -here's the killer- managing and treating muscular-skeletal problems associated with ageing and body trauma. 'Expert' is definitely not what I am, but I'm comfortable enough on the science to debate it with you, my man.

[quote]2) That 120 quid a week is more than enough for everybody (no matter what age) to feed and warm themselves **BECAUSE IT IS FOR SAM SLATER**[/quote]

For everybody? No. There are special circumstances, obviously, but a national pension cannot treat every pensioner separately. That's like saying every working person should have their own personal tax band. Impossible. I doubt ?120pw is enough to heat an 8 bedroom mansion for instance, or if you happen to live in a fucking castle. No, I quite obviously mean that for the average pensioner, ?120pw is enough to cover food, fuel and clothing. Even after I've asked you numerous times to give me examples of when that amount wouldn't be sufficient and all you came up with was luxury things like cars, mortgages and holidays which -I assume- would come before keeping one warm over the winter for a pensioner to freeze to death.

[quote]3) That on average, a 20 year-old is just as likely to die from hypothermia as OAP (and thus, presumably, that just as many of them do).[/quote]

Maybe living in Germany (are you coming home to claim your pension when you reach 65 btw?) you've forgotten how to read English properly, Eric. I NEVER said a 20yo is 'as likely to die of hypothermia as an OAP' now did I? I clearly said that it isn't just theoretical that a 20yo can die of hypothermia and said it was a fact. Please read more carefully so I don't have to keep reiterating my points. Danke!

I think all your other points are just frustrated rantings so I'll have to ignore them (maybe all your posts are frustrated rantings....I'm not too sure).

I must implore you, though, to give me an example of where a single OAP needs more than ?50pw to buy food. For the record, all my fruit and veg are fresh, as are my cuts of meat. The only tinned stuff I buy regularly is oily fish like red salmon and sardines. I don't just eat fucking spam (hate the stuff). I get most of my food from Morrisons (Hillsborough Barracks.....you'll know) so it's not a cheapo supermarket like Netto or some other shit. Morrisons is more expensive than Asda in my opinion so I'm not picking the cheapest places to make my point. I eat around 2500kcal a day with 30% of those coming from oily fish, chicken breasts and lean rump steaks from Talbots (Hillsborough corner....you'll know the one). Most of my other calorie intake obviously comes from starchy carbs (or 'complex' if you prefer) like vegetables, cereals and bread. Like I say: I eat well so don't assume that I'm insinuating all pensioners should live on beans on toast and watery porridge.

Blimey....I got through all that without capitalising your name even once, Eric. You see, I can make my points just as strongly as you without resorting to capitalisation. Maybe you read 'The Sun' too much (or the German equivalent).

P.s. If you want me to give you a few dietary tips and info then I'd be happy to oblige. You know I've even given advice to a few porn stars on what to eat/how to train both over here and in LA. I'm nice like that. Just think, you might have uncle Sam to thank for one of those gorgeous bodies you wank over.....

Thanks for capitalising my name, though. Maybe I've come across a little inappreciative over that. Can I request that you maybe put my alias up in neon lighting next time? You might get the emphasis you were looking for then. If the forum doesn't support that then maybe just a change in font colour.....and being an Owl I don't have to point out which colour suits me best now do I, Eric? Royal blue I thank you please!


As Keith would say: Lol!

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Flat_Eric
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Re: Brown and out..

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Sorry to disappoint you Sam, but I'm not frustrated at all (nice cop-out by the way !wink!).

Nor am I fazed by the self-important, narcissistic ramblings about your sporting prowess and your "giving dietary advice to porn stars" (had to laugh at that one!!)

I do martial arts as well, by the way. But here's a tip for future reference: Just saying "I've done Thai boxing for a number of years and I'm an ensurance runner" would have been perfectly adequate to make your point, without coming across as (frankly) a pompous, boastful cunt.

I don't know who you were trying to impress, but it doesn't impress me. And vanity is a deadly vice, Sam. I'd wager that if you were a chocolate bar, you'd eat yourself wouldn't you?

I could continuing arguing the toss with you but guess what - I have better things to do.

I'm off now to plan for my (hopefully) long and comfortable retirement on 120 quid a week in the world of Sam Slater.

Cheerio!

- Eric

Sam Slater
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Re: Brown and out..

Post by Sam Slater »

[quote]Sorry to disappoint you Sam, but I'm not frustrated at all (nice cop-out by the way !wink!).[/quote]

It's ok, Eric. This debate didn't really hang on whether you were frustrated or not, it was just a little bonus if true. Oh well... As for being a cop-out: where? I think I covered all your main points and just ignored the rants. But, being a complete gentleman, I'll explain why I didn't cover them in my reply.

5) That pensioner poverty is entirely self-inflicted. - One of my replies to one of your other points answered this if you look again. If it doesn't then let me know and I have no problem in giving a reply.

6) **SAM SLATER** spends less than 50 quid a week on food, so why the fuck can't everyone else manage on that? - Again, I covered this in a previous reply. A lot of your points were really the same assumption put in a slightly different way if you care to look at them again.

7) A **UNIVERSAL SAM SLATER TEST** would be a far better and more accurate way of assessing pensioners' needs than any Means Test ever could. - Not really something I can respond to really. It's just you being sarcastic.

8) Why can't everyone be like **SAM SLATER**? - Again, just sarcasm so I didn't feel the need to respond

So, to sum it up, how am I a cop-out, Eric?

[quote]Nor am I fazed by the self-important, narcissistic ramblings about your sporting prowess and your "giving dietary advice to porn stars" (had to laugh at that one!!)[/quote]

Well, you did ask if I was an expert on nutrition! I admitted I wasn't and provided a little bit of my background to show that I do have a little experience on the science, at least. I suggest that if you don't like me boasting about such things then don't ask. How easy is that to work out, Eric?


[quote]I do martial arts as well, by the way. But here's a tip for future reference: Just saying "I've done Thai boxing for a number of years and I'm an ensurance runner" would have been perfectly adequate to make your point, without coming across as (frankly) a pompous, boastful cunt.[/quote]

Now you're boasting. You see, I didn't query your knowledge and so you have no need to tell me unless you really wanted to. I didn't mention my 'skills' until you asked. You, on the other hand, felt the need to tell me anyway. As for being pompous and boastful....well....I suppose I was! I didn't mention it until you asked, though, Eric. So unlike you with your 'martial arts'. I wouldn't say I'm a cunt either. That's rather impolite of you after I've not felt the need to call you names. Rather childish I feel. Maybe that 'martial art' training didn't teach you enough respect and self discipline, Eric.

[quote]I don't know who you were trying to impress, but it doesn't impress me.[/quote]

How nice of you to point that out, Eric. Irrelevant to everything we've been debating these past few days but if it's good therapy for you then I'm glad you got it off your chest, lad.

[quote]And vanity is a deadly vice, Sam. I'd wager that if you were a chocolate bar, you'd eat yourself wouldn't you?[/quote]

Vain on top of pomposity, boastfulness and cuntishness, eh Eric? Not much going for me then. It's a good job I have the knowledge, athleticism and good looks to back all that up! Lol! On a serious note: you do see what you've done don't you? Yet again one of the OT crowd finds himself losing a debate and all of a sudden it turns into a personal attack on the other. Now, you started your last post by insisting you weren't frustrated, didn't you? Well....the thing is.....I'm wondering why you're now getting personal if it's not frustration? Any ideas?

[quote]I could continuing arguing the toss with you but guess what - I have better things to do.[/quote]

How convenient. Just when I was expecting answers from those questions you've avoided. Oh well......so long!

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Sam Slater
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Re: Brown and out..

Post by Sam Slater »

Thank you for your support, Reggie, but we must refrain from resorting to abuse as much as possible. It's awfully vulgar.

I've kept my Thomas Paine quote in my sig for a reason on here! !wink!

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