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Re: Hey Chris...

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:20 pm
by mart
Perhaps someone can correct my ignorance but I wasn't aware that inspection teams had been in Libya.

Mart


Re: Special Relationship My Arse !!!!!

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:23 pm
by Bob Singleton
Bimmercat... this is a report from the BBC back in July of last year.


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A former US ambassador who investigated reports that Niger sold uranium to Iraq has said Washington exaggerated the threat of the Iraqi weapons programme in the run-up to the war.

Joseph Wilson - US ambassador to Gabon between 1992-95 - was asked by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to check reports that Niger sold Baghdad processed uranium that could be used to make nuclear weapons in the 1990s.

After spending eight days talking to dozens of people in Niger in February 2002, Mr Wilson concluded: "It was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place."

Meanwhile, a senior Iraqi scientist - who was involved with Iraq's early weapons of mass destruction programme in the 1980s and after the first Gulf War - told the BBC that he knew of no hidden stockpiles or concealed research.

The UK-trained scientist - who asked that his identity be protected - admitted that he once helped produce mustard gas and hid from UN inspectors.

But he said that the stocks were later destroyed and the development programmes scrapped as the then Iraqi regime decided that the political cost of being caught was too high.

The scientist - who later worked in the Iraqi agency set up to track UN inspectors - said there were parts of the highly-secretive government where programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction might have been run, but insisted it was unlikely.

Mr Wilson says he presented his findings to the US ambassador to Niger, the CIA and the State Department's African Affairs Bureau.

In an article written by Mr Wilson and published in Sunday's New York Times, the former ambassador said the CIA would have passed on his assessment to Vice President Dick Cheney.

Yet US President George W Bush and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair both cited the report earlier this year to support their charges that former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was trying to obtain nuclear weapons and to justify their invasion of Iraq in March.

Britain's dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction says that Saddam Hussein tried to get "significant quantities of uranium from Africa".

"Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons programme was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat," Mr Wilson told NBC's "Meet the Press" programme.

About a fifth of the world's exports of uranium come from Africa, but the uranium mined there is not of weapons grade and has to be processed before it could be used in weapons.

"Either the administration has information that it has not shared with the public or... there was selective use of facts and intelligence to bolster a decision that had already been made to go to war," Mr Wilson said.


Re: Hey Chris...

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:34 pm
by Bob Singleton
Bimmercat wrote:

SNIP

I also feel that since Lybia had their recent change of heart and we found many weapons that the UN inspectors knew nothing about at all and missed on previous inspections...

SNIP


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Who exactly found these WMD??? If it was the CIA I can only imagine they planted them there in the first place!

All I recall is Libya saying they had a programme in place with a view to creating WMD but none had actually yet been made and that this programme was now cancelled.

Of course, I could be wrong... after all I don't rely on CNN or Fox for MY news!

Now, I don't believe EVERYTHING the BBC tells me, but I have found, over the years, they tend to get most stories right... have a look at this page Bimmercat, you may learn something

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 336109.stm

Not quite as damning as your earlier statement makes out.


Re: Hey Chris...

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:41 pm
by Bob Singleton
Bimmercat wrote:

Show me where I am wrong about the French aiding the Iraqis on nuke technology. Are all these news organizations wrong? Really? ABC, CBS, BBC,
Reuters, UPI...they all reported on it long ago. They ALL got it wrong?

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None of these news organisations have stories about the French helping Iraq manufacture nuclear weapons.


Re: Excuse me...but

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:45 pm
by jj
...although they nicked much of Etruscan culture- and the latter then completely disappeared.

Re: Excuse me...but

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:47 pm
by jj
....I can't argue with Desiree Cousteau (although I would sell my soul to be permitted the attempt !)- but I'd add to your list the defence of freedoms that the US had provided- although I'm not sure that the price wasn't a tad too dear occasionally........

Re: Hey Chris...

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:53 pm
by Bob Singleton
Bimmercat, maybe you should have a look here, too. Your very own Washington DC based Carnegie foundation recently published a report on Iraq and WMD concluding that:


a) Iraq's nuclear programme had been suspended for many years.

b) The intelligence community overestimated the chemical and biological weapons in Iraq and that most had past their "best use before 19991" sell by date!

c) Intelligence agencies appear to have been unduly influenced by policymakers' views. Officials misrepresented the threat over and above intelligence findings.

d) There was no solid evidence linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, nor evidence that Iraq would transfer WMD to terrorists.


http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/ ... l/home.htm


Re: Hey Chris...BBClink-clickable

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:08 pm
by mart


Mart


Re: Hey Chris...BBClink-clickable

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:24 pm
by mart
Thanks for that BBC link. It won't make a blind bit of difference to Bimmercat, he'll just say its another piece of subtle BBC yank bashing.
But he is getting to be a real pain in the arse. His latest line about Libya is downright lies. Lets see him back it up with some news stories.

Mart