Re: Vote Labour ...for the sake of the country !
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:13 pm
[quote]Well just to get a few facts straight: John Major won an internal leadership contest,[/quote]
So? No one's challenged Brown's position as leader, as they are allowed to do. And anyway, Major fell short in that 2nd round of voting and only got into power due to Heseltine and Hurd's withdrawals.
[quote]Major then held an election some 15 months after becoming PM, which of course he won.[/quote]
Now, now. You're being a little disingenuous again here. He didn't call the election out of some moralistic gesture. The Conservative's term in office was up in June that year so holding the election 8 weeks early means nothing. And that makes it nearly 17 months if you're going to bring it to that.
[quote]Let's remember that the Labour voters of 2005 (stupidly I guess) took Tony Blair at his word when he said he would serve a FULL THIRD TERM !![/quote]
And let's remember constant public/media pressure asking him to go, and then when he does there's outrage that he changed his mind.
And while we're on the subject of changes of heart, here's a few from Old Maggie:
12th Nov, 1990: "I am still at the crease, though the bowling has been pretty hostile of late. And in case anyone doubted it, can I assure you there will be no ducking the bouncers, no stonewalling, no playing for time. The bowling's going to get hit all round the ground. That is my style."
20th Nov, 1990: "I fight on; I fight to win." (after first round of leadership challenge).
22nd Nov, 1990: "Fuck this, I'm off!" (Ok, NOW I'm being disingenuous!).
Blair took 2 years to go back on his word. Maggie just 2 days.
The facts are that Major came into power when his party was already in power, like Brown, and that Brown is the unchallenged leader of the Labour party. All above board and all legal. If you don't like that then vote to change the system.
So? No one's challenged Brown's position as leader, as they are allowed to do. And anyway, Major fell short in that 2nd round of voting and only got into power due to Heseltine and Hurd's withdrawals.
[quote]Major then held an election some 15 months after becoming PM, which of course he won.[/quote]
Now, now. You're being a little disingenuous again here. He didn't call the election out of some moralistic gesture. The Conservative's term in office was up in June that year so holding the election 8 weeks early means nothing. And that makes it nearly 17 months if you're going to bring it to that.
[quote]Let's remember that the Labour voters of 2005 (stupidly I guess) took Tony Blair at his word when he said he would serve a FULL THIRD TERM !![/quote]
And let's remember constant public/media pressure asking him to go, and then when he does there's outrage that he changed his mind.
And while we're on the subject of changes of heart, here's a few from Old Maggie:
12th Nov, 1990: "I am still at the crease, though the bowling has been pretty hostile of late. And in case anyone doubted it, can I assure you there will be no ducking the bouncers, no stonewalling, no playing for time. The bowling's going to get hit all round the ground. That is my style."
20th Nov, 1990: "I fight on; I fight to win." (after first round of leadership challenge).
22nd Nov, 1990: "Fuck this, I'm off!" (Ok, NOW I'm being disingenuous!).
Blair took 2 years to go back on his word. Maggie just 2 days.
The facts are that Major came into power when his party was already in power, like Brown, and that Brown is the unchallenged leader of the Labour party. All above board and all legal. If you don't like that then vote to change the system.