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Reg,
I asked "Given that Shaikh denied the above, please provide a link to the evidence that he planned and organised this drug smuggling? Or are you just guessing?"

You replied "I say that he acquired class A drugs and secreted them on his person with a view to smuggling them, then made travel arrangments and went to China on a plane with a view to evading the prohibition on such substances so that he could make money. "

You appear to be struggling with the concept of "evidence".
Evidence is signed statements, DNA, fingerprints, communications, records of meetings etc etc. It is not "I say...etc". Understood? You seem to confuse "evidence" with what you happen to believe based on guesswork.

The steps involved in planning and organising drug smuggling would include making contact with a supplier, agreeing a price, buying the drugs, making contact with a buyer, hiding the drugs, making all the necessary communications and travel arrangements etc.

Unlike yourself I have provided a link to the EVIDENCE on which I base my views. At the risk of repeating myself yet again to you, here is the link.
http://bgafd.co.uk/forum/read.php?f=3&i=226013&t=225803

I would hope that you would have at least paid me the courtesy to read the info. I have provided you.

I repeat, given that Shaikh argued that he knew nothing about the drugs,

Please provide a link to the EVIDENCE which shows that he hid the heroin about his person.

Please provide a link to the EVIDENCE which shows that he made contact with a supplier, agreed a price, bought the drugs, made contact with a buyer, hid the drugs etc. etc.

Remember "I say" "I reckon", "I met a bloke down the pub who said" is not EVIDENCE

CHeers
D

"Let's presume that he was so mad that he decided to smuggle some drugs one day."

Where is the evidence that he decided to smuggle drugs one day? Shaikh denied all knowledge of the drugs.


"It's strange that this moral imbecile who was so mad that he had little sense of right and wrong, took the trouble to conceal the drugs and not run through customs yelling that he had some heroin on him. Strange dichotomy there maybe? "

Please provide a link to some evidence that he "concealed the drugs".

Again, you are either failing to comprehend, or conveniently ignoring my original posts about the subject because it's your only chance of credibility on the debate: the whole digital brain business was an analogy. You can keep banging the point all you want but I never said brains were digital machines nor did I say action potentials contained data.

Either a neuron is firing or it isn't = either a bit is a 1 or a 0. You cannot deny my last statements and this is why I used the analogy I did.

Now, back on topic:

[quote]Let's presume that he was so mad that he decided to smuggle some drugs one day. It's strange that this moral imbecile who was so mad that he had little sense of right and wrong, took the trouble to conceal the drugs and not run through customs yelling that he had some heroin on him. Strange dichotomy there maybe?[/quote]

But you should know that mental illness can affect it's sufferers differently at different times. And, to be fair, you used a presumption in convicting someone of a crime.

[quote]I think if you are in a sovereign country then you have no choice but to respect their laws or decide never to go there.[/quote]

But I have no argument with you here. I never said I wouldn't respect a nation's laws while in that country, just that I have the right to complain and criticise those laws as much as I want.......and so do Brown and Cameron.

Sam, I agree that we have the right to complain and criticise, I do my fair share of it, but why don't all the people complaining about this nip over to China and complain over there ? This is not meant as a dig at you and I realise it would incur great expense but I suspect most people are happy to moan over here but lack the conviction to do it in China. I also realise that anybody going to China to complain could save money by only buying a one way ticket.

[quote]Sam, I agree that we have the right to complain and criticise, I do my fair share of it, but why don't all the people complaining about this nip over to China and complain over there ?[/quote]

Dismissing all the impracticalities of doing such a thing for the moment, tactically it may be the wrong thing to do. In such a country as ours I'd argue that a dissenting voice here would reach more people than one at ground zero, so to speak, due to a more open, freer society.

Using your logic would mean criticism of anything is pointless unless you're willing to take up the struggle yourself. So, if you're unhappy at immigration levels you should spend your time at Calais or Polish airports dissuading would be migrants? If you think the ref should have let Birmingham's goal stand against Chelsea you can't criticise unless you're willing to run onto the pitch and have it out with the official personally? You're just being facetious, I'm sure.

Sorry Sam I was not being facetious, but if people have a strong enough conviction about something surely they could do more than just moan on an internet forum.

Reginald,
Forumites who read this thread will note that you have twice refused point blank to answer very, very simple basic questions based on your stated views i.e. what is the evidence that he was aware that he was carrying drugs, where is the evidence that he hid the drugs on his person.

Your level of debate is on the lines of "I think this" "Okay Reggie, why do you think that, what evidence/facts do you have to back that up" "I think this and because you are questioning me you are naive and stupid" etc etc.

Again you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to support your statement
"He was cogent and clear-headed enough to obtain the drugs" and "he secreted the drugs about his person". DO YOU?

Unfortunately, Reginald you are one of those people in life who believe that what they think must be right whether there is evidence or not to support their view. By ignoring my questions and merely going off blathering on about your work in rehab you show you are incapable of sensible debate.

I repeat for the third time WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT SHAIKH "SECRETED THE DRUGS ABOUT HIS PERSON"

Cheers
David

Does evidence really matter now ? The fact is, he's gone, and more importantly the 4kg of heroin he was carrying is off the streets.