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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:01 pm
by Officer Dibble
"I still believe my interjection was appropriate as it corrected your lie"

"Lie"? And pray, Sir - which lie might that have been?



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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:10 pm
by Robches
"But thank you for drawing my attention to postie, Alan Johnson ? I might never have found out that he was a middleclass chap all along. As someone who is out to expose socialists as posh, snotty, patronizing hypocrites, this was manna from heaven for me. But now I think back, there was always something odd about him ? he was always a little to smooth and slick. Not like the few genuine Labour proletarians such as Blunkett or that buffoon, Prescott."

I have just heard him on Desert Island Discs, and whatever you think of him, he was a genuine prole.

He was brought up in Notting Hill in the 50's, when it was a real shithole, his dad fucked off when he was young, and his mum died when he was 12, leaving his older sister to bring him up. He did get to Grammar School, but he was on free school meals, and left without an O level to his name to become a pop star, but he ended up as a postman, married and with three kids before he was 20. He seems to be one of the few members of the working class in the NuLab Cabinet.


Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:03 pm
by Officer Dibble
"loads of working class folk went to Grammar Schools,"

Nothing against Grammar Schools - only the monumental hypocrisy of those that would deny other intelligent working class folk that route up the ladder. And aslo those other Noo-Labour sorts that preach a load of progressive cack - then send their precious little Jeremy?s and Ophelia?s to decent posh schools so they won't have to mix with working folk and have their education ruined (or be bullied) by disruptive chav retards.




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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:59 pm
by jj
'Long-term' means 'until I get re-elected'.


Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:31 pm
by Officer Dibble
Yes, nowadays middleclass kids have huge advantages, as their parents can afford to move near to a good school - which basically means a school with loads of other intelligent middleclass kids. The kind of kids who are interested in stuff, read books, and go there to learn - not cause bollocks and bully other kids because they are bored, innit?

Some say social mobility has decreased, and it probably has if you define being middleclass by it's particular cultural and social values (which I do). But that doesn?t hold true for economic mobility. Now working folk have vastly more opportunity and incentive to start their own business and make money for themselves, instead of 'the boss'. Or instead of being servants of the state. When I was a lad you were simply expected to do what your dad did. If you suggested to anyone that you wanted something more than that - like your own house, business, or nice car, people looked at you as though you had suddenly started speaking Greek. You were expected by all sections of society to accept your lot and get on with it. But, even back then, I was an awkward git. I said "Bollocks to that! My allotted lot appears to be crap. I don't want it. I want the good stuff!" So from an early age I worked towards getting the good stuff.

But the biggest factor in the deceasing social mobility between classes has been the abolition of the 11 +. You didn't need money to pass this exam, just brains. So intelligent working class kids got the opportunity to go to grammar school, and from there it was a short hop to university and most likely a profession. At which point, if not they, than their kids would henceforth be middleclass. Nowadays, if you don't have plenty of dough to start with it's very difficult to get into the good school that might be a springboard to university.




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