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All bullshit

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:39 pm
by marcusallen
Recent threads only highlight to me what a bunch of fucking hypocryts most of you are.
You profess ourtage at certain topics and yet do the alternative.
"30days" "60 days" ONE DAY? - ask youselves this:

I'm certified clean today and I go out tonight and fuck someone....................

JFT's client has jumped on a current PC bandwagon and should be ashaned of himself - as should Jason for promoting this self-righteous bullshit.

I STATED earlier that there has never been a proven case of AIDS related to this side of the Atlantic and indeed very few in the States, only where the stud was bisexual. These are facts.

As for a "Conference!"!!!!!!! Jesus Christ,
as Jim said, go sleep on his floor, we will all go out & get pissed, swap wonderful philosophical points-of-view and absolutely nothing will change.

A voice of reason...

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:46 pm
by JackHorny
I notice Jason hasn't graced me with an answer to my question;

WHY is 90 days all of a sudden unacceptable? What has prompted this sudden change? Have there been problems with 90-day certificates?

And as Phil mCc has said previously and Marcus has said here - Who can hand on heart say that they're clean even if they got their cert done this morning? And that's WITHOUT doing as Marcus says and going out abd doing the deed tonight...

I'd really like to know why the 30-day is all of a sudden such an important issue. As I have said before - I'm not against it, but we NEED TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPABLE BEFORE WE APPLY IT AS A STANDARD!

Re: All bullshit

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:12 pm
by Mike@MSS
My choice no one else's to implement 30 day tests, as it would seem to be me your referring to when saying ive jumped on some kind of PC bandwagon.But judging from the responses from emails that havent been posted here it would seem that a lot of the serious producers and models are in total agreement with my views. At the end of the day you dont have to join in but then the models have a choice as to work for you or not given your views.
As for a conference yes its a good idea the more we do and work together to make the UK industry more professional the better ,if all you see it as is some glorified piss up then your mistaken there are serious issues that need to be discussed and the health of the people that work for us is one of them. Certainly STD testing is imperative some of the std's do have ongoing health implications.
Anyway at the end of the day if you dont agree or cant be bothered you dont have to turn up we all have choices.

Mike@MSS

Mike...

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:16 pm
by JackHorny
Mike - can someone enlighten me please - I've asked Jason to respond and he has failed (so far) to do so... as a producer who's backing the 30-day standard, can I ask WHY the 30-day window is necessary as opposed to 90-days?

Are there currently problems with the 90-day certificates? i.e. are we experiencing problems with infections? I'm not aware of any problems to date...

And if there aren't any problems - why the RUSH to the 30 day standard? Wouldn't it make more sense to try to get the medical establishment on side and up to speed BEFORE applying a standard that will create a logistical/financial problem for many?

Re: Mike...

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:53 pm
by JFT Media
Jack

I have not answered earlier as I was out with clients tonight, then came home, cooked a great dinner and sat down to relax, just thought I would pop on before I shut down for the night, I will post again what I added to the Kinky Kerry post so to make sure you see it.

Jack

I see you saying the same thing on many posts. The main reason for bringing in the 30 day test for HIV & STD, is STD. Do you understand. There is more chance of someone getting an STD than HIV, but as you go and get your STD done ever 30 days you can get your HIV done at the same time.

If you leave outside London, so what, you just have to plan as models in London have to to get a test here.

Can we stop with all this "I can't because" or "I don't live in London" there are clinics all over the place, yes some are better than others, but have you told them WHY you need the test and the certificate?

It will come in and if people can't be bothered to keep up to date, then they won't work, it's that simple.

I hope that this answers your questions, and you will stop harping on with the same old lines. We are loooking to bring this in for you - the performers - and if models don't take care of themselves as post above from marcusallen then they are fools and are risking everything.

Professional production companys and models are all saying they agree and are backing this, they see it as a way forward for the UK adult industry. Need a say more, we need to be more professional.

Re: All bullshit

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:07 am
by DanG
Frankly, I've met Mike a grand total of once to discuss overseas rights contracts for UK Student House, so I'm hardly an expert character witness, but my overriding impression was one of a man who is extremely businesslike and professional, and certainly not someone who struck me as a weak-willed bandwagon jumper.

Personally, I'm all in favour of a 30 day limit on tests (and if I'm not mistaken, said limit is in place because of the incumbency period of certain STD's before they become active/communicable), although I do agree that there does need to be the correct infrastructure in place beforehand, lest we put the proverbial cart before the horse (especially if it's the same horse pulling the bandwagon. But I digress...).

Who knows, perhaps there is a business opportunity in the offing here for someone to offer an HIV/STD testing service dedicated to the adult industry in the UK?

Re: All bullshit

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:41 am
by James323
Will a professional health expert be present at this 'conference' to offer unbiased advice or will it be self appointed gurus that are after self-promotion?
I agree with Marcus.

Re: All bullshit

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:21 am
by Phil mCc
James323 in this early stage we are trying help, the people who are organising this are looking for genuine help and suggestions, now if you want to suggest someone or have the ness knowlege yourself great. If you don't then just read the posts, if you are an actor then fine,who, and will you becoming to the meetings or just getting the information afterwards.

Phil McC


Re: All bullshit

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:03 am
by Marino
No one has replied to any of my comments, as the truth is the truth my friends, of course we all want to stay safe, but fuck me if if you cant stand the heat stay out the fucking kitchen, once again Jason how do you monitor the girls that are on your books that also work as escorts,
Not that i give a fuck as everyone of my girlfriends for as long as i can remember has been a working girl, but i know what goes on ut their, which i feel should be addressed before harping on about one month tests.

Re: All bullshit

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:05 am
by James323
Phil, This is an open forum, if I have a valid question I will ask it.
Do not tell me just to read the posts. If this is your attitude on this forum, what will it be like at this 'conference'.
As for the people who are organising this 'conference' They should have booked a qualified medical expert to attend before advertising it.
Without one in attendance it is a worthless exercise. This is an emotive subject and it should not be hijacked by certain individuals and companies for the wrong purposes.