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Ok there is lots of discussion about the "party" girls and pro versus am...never does all this come together better than the soon to happen Juicy Jo/Faye Rampton gang bang "party". A 100% amateur event with 2 girls, one pro one very much amateur.

So why out of these 2 girls am I picking on Faye? Because after these parties are done and 20 or so completely random strangers, no STD testing of any kind, no checks done whatsoever Faye then does a LOT of professional work. It's been said many times, condoms can break...at this kind of event lets not pretend that condoms can't also be slipped off just before insertion and there is 20 times more chance this will happen at such an event.

Still, why Faye, there are other parties, other girls...Because Faye is the longest serving and still one of the most prolific workers in the UK professional porn industry and therefore poses the greatest risk to us all by doing these events. Because Faye has more than enough work to keep her going without doing these events. And quite frankly because Faye is WAY better than this!

If anyone reading this thinks I don't like Faye, they are very much mistaken, I think she rocks...but when it comes to stars making themselves accessible to their fans this really is taking things a few steps too far and risking way more than just her health.

Dan raises some important points in his post in a very direct and blunt way. I'll comment in similar fashion.

"Faye is way better than this". The idea that taking part in a "party" is in some way inferior to a "professional" porn shoot strikes me as missing the point and in a strange kind of way rather snobby!

Testing checks if you have an STD at that point. No more no less. Anybody who believes other than that, is kidding themselves.

You could therefore argue that a "professional" porn shoot without condoms is much more risky than attending a "party"where condoms are used. You are totally reliant on the other person's honesty, integrity etc. in not having followed any risky practices since the last test. This is presumably one of the reasons why models such as Denise Davies have given up the hardcore side of the biz.

Finally, on a perusal of Dan's site, I notice pics of him shagging girls (without condom) who attend such parties.
Will the real Dan Dare stand up?

Cheers
David

Hi Dan

If its a film shoot the action will be controled at all times, we make a lot of gang-bang films with various stars Pro/Am (all with condoms) but as you know being a adult star that the action is not as hetic as it looks on the film with people changing postions for the cameraman etc.
When John is filming he always keeps a careful eye on the studs making sure they are wearing condoms at all time & if they try to not use one he will stop the film & tell them as anyone who as worked with us will know.
I'm not sure who's organising the gang-bang otherwise i could tell you more
but them using condoms is still far safer than you making films without, as i still have amateur roots i think sometimes its nice to let the public know you are within reach & real (not only on screen) being semi retired now when i do one of these shoots i will only shag a couple & let the other girls have the rest.
With all the unrest & i know your genuine please don't start any witch hunting because nothing changed in Britain with girls doing the same as they did 2yrs ago but just being more careful.

Kim

David, I am not being snobby...I'm not saying taking part in a party is inferior to a professional porn shoot however it is very different and in my opinion (and yes you may have a different one) very seedy.

There is not even the slightest pretence here that this is for professional reasons, there are no cameras, these "parties" (and I really fail to see in what way they are parties) are straight forward prostitution on a major scale. Porn even on an amateur level is done for the camera and for professional reasons. Yes it can be fun, the sex can be good but ultimately it is for the camera! Sex for the fun of it is generally done with someone or someones of your choice...this is neither.

As for std risks...no we havent all been as careful with general std certificates in the past as we all should have been (and yes that includes me)...but we have just had a huge (and I mean HUGE) wake up call and the past is the past, this is an event set up after the risks have been widely shoved in our faces. I have changed my practices since, many others have too, hopefully even Video Kim would want std certs even with condoms?

Industry standard now suggests (rightly) that we should have std certificates as well, like in the states, these parties more than likely never will...so the girls involve risk on losing out on a week or more of professional work while they are being treated for something and passing it on and so inflicting the same punishment on us too.

No there is no guarantee that this couldn't also happen in a prefessional shoot but at least we will have some safety checks, some chance of picking it up before it is passed on and some chance of avoiding shooting with someone who is infected. Also, as most porn films generally only include 2 or 3 guys at most the girls are taking the same risk in 4 hours as they will often do in a month but without the same controls.

Two things Kim...same practices as 2 years ago but being more careful...exactly how are they being more careful? And being in touch with your fans is listening to them, meeting them at events, being part of the public, knowing what is going on...even inviting a lucky member of 3 to shoot with you for your site.....nothing wrong with that. There are no controls on who turns up and I very much doubt one guy can watch a room full of 10 guys shagging 2 girls and have full control!

Denise Davies gave up hard core because she was uncomfortable with doing it, yes the risk factor was involved too but generally she wanted more from her career.

hi
firstly let me say dan you had no problems working with me a few months back without a condom !
for the past few weeks i have been toying with the idea of giving up parties not because i dont want to do them but because of pressure from everybody else !
i actually do enjoy doing bukkake and gang bang parties and do enjoy meeting the fans they are always a laugh ! the ones i do are always filmed as i never do anything without a camera being involved !
condoms are always worn and i never do anal in these parties
have never caught anything doing parties either !
i feel doing these parties is far safer than doing double anal in america !!!!!!!
that said and given all the shit im gonna get anyway as of now i will give up doing parties ! end of ! no more ! so i will have to cancel the two i have booked
most of the professional girls i know have done parties in the past infact a lot of parties ! but i guess im the one who is gonna get slagged off as im the one still doing them !
but go back a year and most girls were doing them regularly !
better get on the phone then got a lot of cancelling to do
faye xxx
www.fayeandsandie.com

Dan, what about David's query regarding your use of models who have attended more than their fair share of 'parties'?

By your logic, as you have participated in un-protected sex with these models and given their greater risk of having contracted an STD (according to you), should you now be put on this 'theoretical blacklist' of pornstars who are too risky to work with? Is your 'cleanliness' now not tainted by this physical association with 'party girls'?

I am only a regular guy who is a big fan of porn and has the greatest respect for the people who make and star in adult productions.

I believe as long as what these models do is consensual, involves only other like-minded free thinking adults and protection is used, then there is nothing wrong with how they choose to earn additional income.

At the end of the day, for professional shoots, provided a clean STD test result is provided before hand what is the problem.

Obviously not being in your position of having un-protected sex with models, I can understand your concerns and view point would be different. But is if fair to demonize these models, when you are happy to work with them and make money from their pictures?

Yes Forepl4yer, there is no doubt that I have worked with some of the girls who have done parties...and yes a couple were done on a certificate basis. But that was before we all got a wake up call from the states. In some cases even before the girls did parties. Since the stuff in the states though, things have been very different for me.

Yes Faye, I have worked with you and you are definitely one of the nicest people in the industry, but again that was before the States stuff, honestly this is in no way about slating you. But we need to move forward, make things the way they should be and eliminate some of the less desirable practices. You are one of the most well known and best ambassadors for this industry and as a professional you, like the rest of us need to behave accordingly...even if that means not doing things that earn that little bit of extra cash.

Well done Faye, I will give you a call tommorow as I am on route to Belgium. You are no slag, I fully understand you liking the partys its not even about the fact you do them for me. Its the fact you have no choice, its like ASDA a numbers game, you are better than that.
These parties are fu--king our industry, its cheaper to bang a top model than buy her DVD, NO JOKE.
6 Girls for 75 quid ok a few are a bit ropey but you do them just for the numbers bang them all then choose the best for a couple of comeshots, I paid my money I do what I want.......Faye Babes this is how these guys think, they are not fans, you will get more fans now than ever.
Now might be time to talk to someone who really knows the industry a few pointers, you have my numbers.

Jim...(Phil McC)