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Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:48 am
by Officer Dibble
Yes, it's all very depressing.


Officer D.

Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 7:06 am
by Phil mCc
Then buy my new movie at tottyshop and see if its all that bad or cheap...
Everyone is pleased with it at Brighton.

Lets see a producer spends some money making a good 103 minute movie in hi-quality... so as a punter if you dont buy it you deserve don't complain about getting poor quality American,Euro, or worse stuff. Time to put you 20 quid up beside my ???????????.

Phil McC

Available now only on www.tottyshop.com


Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:32 am
by Officer Dibble
Some interesting and perceptive comments on the nature of contemporary UK Porn in this thread. More please.

Officer Dibble

Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:57 am
by davewells
Bang on bonzo, I've been harking on about this with Dibble for fucking ages it seems. The biz in this country was, is and always will be small time wankers getting their rocks off and then trying to sell it. Of which now there seem to be way too many. I have always tried to get involved with projects that have money backing them and quite a bit of techie input required ( which is probably why I don't work enough). People like the awful TV channels we have here, just seem to want cheap crap with old men in them etc. It really is awful stuff. I am fed up of looking for a serious company with clout and money to let me make a more polished type of production.

Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:44 am
by Officer Dibble
Yeah, to right Dave. There are too many who' finance their hobby of shagging models - any models - by selling the resultant naff materiel shot in the Travelodge.

"People like the awful TV channels we have here,"

Quite. They have a lot to answer for. Those fuckers are giving the oxygen of 'wedge' to crap producers and models. If these sub-standard types couldn?t scrape a living they would naff off, content would become scarce, the price would then double or treble, and then there would be serious dough available to tempt seriously capable people and genuinely glamorous girls (perchance even with proper minges).

Re: The end of UK porn

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:08 pm
by eroticartist
In the Sixties English pornography was the best in the world. Soho was the centre of a trade that drew customers from all over the world and earnt valuable foreign exchange. It started in the 19th century when many talented pornographers based themselves around Soho in St Martins Lane, Cambridge Circus, Gerrard and Wardour Street. The rewards were high but imprisonment was certain for those who fell foul of the state censorship law of obscene libel. Customers were usually educated and affluent

The Sixties brought a huge demand as everyone now wanted drugs, sex and rock and roll. Sex was revolutionary, cool and so was its imagery. But it was still illegal and we pornographers now had Roy Jenkin's Obscene Publications Act 1959. The prosecution had to prove whether a film or photograph, for example, was 'liable to deprave and corrupt those likely to come into contact with it' ! However one defence was that the obscene article was art. I was acquitted after defending myself on an obscenity charge in 1983.

Of course the threat of imprisonment deterred most would be pornographers but one could always pay the Obscene Publications Dept. at Scotland Yard if one was earning the money!

As a film-maker the R18 is just another censorship law and if you pay the(state controlled) BBFC ten pounds a minute plus VAT you get your license to sell censored porn in the UK. Paradoxically just next door to a licensed shop is an illegal shop where if you want you can get the uncensored version! Corruption is alive and well as ever in Soho. Meanwhile my fellow European film-makers are under no censorship restrictions for adults and can sell uncensored films to whomever they want.

The customers are always the losers where censorship prevents a free market. As a film-maker and revolutionary artist I have always tried to change the law to allow freedom of expression for myself and freedom of choice for the people. I am prepared to go to prison for my beliefs as I know that I am right.

Pornography in this country could be a multi-million pound business if the state stopped imposing its anachronistic moral values vis-a-vis sexual imagery on British film-makers. Corruption is the concomitant of censorship and our laws must be brought into line with the rest of Europe. This will allow the renaissant market to grow to its former importance and full potential.

The State should be encouraging creative British talent to repair some of the damage the censors have done in the past. The hypocrites in the Home Office who oppose a free market are either corrupt or perverse because they see nothing morally wrong in exporting weapons of mass destruction.

Mike Freeman