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I'm sure the BBFC see what they want to see. They've recently cut a film by Phil Barry called "Ass To Mouth Virgins" because it contained "faecally contaminated liquid trickling from a woman's anus". If that was the case I'm sure the makers would have cut it out knowing that the censors would say no. Most porn stars take measures to prevent this sort of stuff. In short I reckon they're making it up.

Anybody care to comment?

Phil?

it was actually liquid coming from the girls pussy whilst vaginal sex was taking place and was clear
outragous but easier to cut than argue ,i suppose they need to keep
themselfs in a job

So how did they manage to see faecal matter? Surely it would have been brown or had faecal matter in it. I wish distributors would fight the board more often. It's the only way we can get the board to change it's guidelines and policies.

Sorry if this is very thick but how did you find this out?

Plenty ass to mouth titles get through. The BBFC have a saying : "If in doubt, cut it out"

While you may not be offended at the sight of a bit of feacal matter going in a womans mouth from her arse the BBFC's job is to think about the public at large rather than the individual and at the very least have to be seen to be doing their jobs.

The lines become blurred between certain kinky acts when passion is lacking and the same act can be construed as borderline abusive.

I cant speak for the scene that was cut as I have not seen it but I have had scenes cut for Real Couples and i just went along with it.

Fight the BBFC and you'll only get your release delayed by them putting it at the bottom of the pile and this is not good if you have a business to run than an agenda to push

Mainstream films can argue the toss but porn has to scream twice as loud to be heard and even then, who gives a shit about the artistic merits of an arse to mouth scene anyway?

Yes, but if you read Pumpkin's post it says the liquid was from her pussy during vaginal sex and clear. I'm not saying that the BBFC should let faecal matter and it's ilk through, I'm saying that the BBFC are cutting things because of their own personal feelings and then making up a lie about why they've censored it. It's just an excuse to censor porn. It's censorship for censorship sake's. I do know about the BBFC putting things to the bottom of the pile, though. I've heard of the board employing this practice hundreds of times. They do it with mainstream films as well. It's blackmail and bullying. This gives the board an influence over many different industries. "Don't agree with us and we'll keep you holding on and losing money until you do agree".

The BBFC website. They put the majority of everything they've classified on it's recent decisions pages including the cuts applied and additional information like if the distributor wanted a specific certificate so cuts were made. Also, if you like at the side of this page you'll see a box saying "Latest BBFC R18 Ratings". Click on one of them and it will take you to classification page for that video.

The BBFC had admitted to me that their examiners may be subjective from time to time depending on te individual.

That is to say an obscure decision made by one may get passed by another as they do not have a book that outlines everyhting sexual ie liquid seeping from the vagina to the anus being on the penis then put to the mouth etc

Sure it might have been clear but the examiner decided it may have feacal matter in it. Pumpkin can argue it as Anna Span has done and got female ejaculation through but I reckon if it was a man tey would still say it was urination

It just dpendes if people want to push the envelope and fight it. I cant speak for Pumpkin but I would think by their decision to make the cut that it wasnt worth getting in the way of business is all Im saying.

You could see it as an act of bullying by them putting a challenge to the bottom of the pile but you can also look at it another way that it is inevitable if they have to go as far as a second opinion and in some cases a focus group which I hear they had when a motion was put through to allow 18 certificate adult content to go that bit harder ie full on penetration, vaginal and oral being seen from a mid long shot...I bet not many people know about that huh? And who was behind it...Its on the site.

Some of us do quietly wage campaigns from time to time and somethings just remain silent. However the focus group behind that was a poor choice as everyone was anti porn anyway and it could have done with something like AITA or UKAP to help advise instead of left to their own devices to include christian groups and parents.

Yes this does give them influence but they are not above reproach and are quite reasonable if you contest them with intelligence but as they say , the wheels of progress turn slowly.

I would find it hard to argue doo doo on dick as being acceptable and would let it go personally as I said, what difference does it make. You could fight it if you really want it through but after all that, is an ickle edit going to make a difference to the end user?

Personally I think the arse to mouth thing is at over kill now anyway. It was ok if it was a random bit of heated passion and a bit of kink but when it becomes de rigeur it just gets dull.

I'm an amateur film historian so I know exactly how the board works. I've done an enormous amount of research on the history of censorship in the hopes of getting a book published. I've always thought that it was shit that that the boards members conflict in their decisions. As for the focus groups they always ask middle class and upper class Londoners.

The thing that's always narked me is the boards "current interpretation of the Obscene Publications Act 1959". Basically, that means it's just their opinion. It doesn't necessarily mean that the material in question is in breach of the law.

I agree with what you say, though. It's not always worth challenging.

So, if you work for the BBFC, do you get to take your work home with you if you have a particularly heavy work load, perhaps even take your work on holiday to be super concientious.

What a wonderful job...........

How do you apply and are there any vacancies?