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Bush and his ass-sucker, Baby Blair are now muderers as I predicted a while ago because they have managed to kill our/their servicemen in a foolish stupid conflict that never should have happened in the first place.

Bush is a bigger piece of shit than his daddy, who fucked up the first "Gulf War" Saddam could, and should have, been whacked at that time. but POLITICS intervened.

Baby Bush, he of the carefully designed "casual clothing" complete with belt buckle, - to show that he is one of the "GOOD OLD BOYS! is a bigger danger to this little blue planet than raving maniacs like Ben Laden. Why? because he controls the most powerful weapon on the face of this said tiny planet -USA.

Saddam should certainly be whacked. A good pro job would cost about $50 million.

But that is not what it is about, Bush/Blair are using their power as their dicks. The great shame/crime, is that they are fucking ALL the rest of us.

yes marcus,blairs made a balls up i feel sorry for all the youngsters getting killed i think the last was only about 20 odd i saw it on the bbc website.

Calm down, calm down. Let's have a look at the other side of the coin:

After 9/11 we were promised a war on terrorism. A good thing, and that is what we have here, as Iraq is essentially a terrorist state in all but name, with Hussein a genuine threat to both his own people and those of neighbouring countries who have been crying out for help for quite some time. They have looked at the list and started at the top. A war now means the USA probably can't lose, which could result in a democracy being returned to a once prosperous country bled dry by its dictator. I wonder if the few Iraqi political opponents left who haven't been tortured to death would consider Bush and Blair cowardly murderers?

You may well find the idea of America 'policing' the world scary, but they are who we would turn to in any global crisis (and certainly a global crisis is what this relatively minor war could avert). It wouldn't be that standing joke that calls itself the United Nations then, would it.

What I personally find scary are certain aspects of the anti-war brigade, in both press and public. Firstly there is the cretinous infantilism and sentimentality, the children (who know nothing) taken on demonstrations, the exploited tearful relatives of those willing to put their lives on the line for a hopefully better future, the sickening clamour in fleet streets broadsheets to acquire a greater readership through the appeasement of the publics new-found - and I imagine short-lived - global conciousness, and so on and so forth. Secondly - and this is what's really got my back up - is that much of the anti-war brigades motives have nothing to do with Iraq at all. Did the middle-classes march on Hyde Park when Saddam Hussein slaughtered thousands of his own people? No, they didn't give a damn. And this isn't just a case of letting-the-patient-bleed-to-death-for-fear-the-stitches-will-hurt-them, either. It's worse. It's become one long conceited act of one-upmanship. The pious tones, the self-righteousness, the holier-than-thou questioning, the misguided belief that they're all somehow smarter and superior by way of suspiciously convenient moral indignation (and casually assumed moral majority). Saddam Hussein has a human rights atrocities record that would shock anyone, but that doesn't matter, does it (and certainly not to the tabloids, who for the last ten years have obviously believed footballers' haircuts to be of greater importance, and have now taken a staggeringly biased anti-war stance to cover up their deficiencies regarding Iraq). And then, of course, there's the anti-americanism, a chance to get one up on Uncle Sam. Well, good for you.

The sad fact is that as the hordes - awash with self-congratulation - head for the moral high ground, America cleans up Iraq. We all knew it was going to be a dirty job- we live in a very dirty world, but someone had to do it. And they're doing it now.

F*cking deal with it.

re-bush snr,trying to think of that guys name that was big in the gulf war norman?he was always on the news talking.

Schwartzkopf - excuse the spelling - believed by Americans to be the greatest military leader of all time (for about five minutes). He was the general put up for news conferences so I assume someone else actually did the real generalling in so much as there was any to be done.

Sorry Jack - I'm just headed for the moral high ground.

Of course I'm not often there so I suspect I might end up getting a nose bleed or something.

Oh and BTW - well said Marcus!

Well, he did have his extensive hair-care products range to attend to....

he was a size i know that demis rousos type,egotrip

I am becoming tired of trying to put the opposite arguement to these Sun readers and innocent childlike americans. For once I really feel debating this is futile. Having said that Jacks argument was well put together even if factually incorrect so hes probably a Brit. Is he another Dibble psuedonym I wonder. Would america come to our help if we needed them? I dearly hope so. But who can tell with Bush....I dont trust him or his cronies.

And Marcus. Yes the military deaths are sad. But you never seem to get worked up about civilian deaths like the 55 killed in that market last night. I mean when you join the military you know there is a chance that you may be killed either in a worthwhile justified war such as WW2 or in a farce like this one created by Bush and that cunt Rumsfeldt for thier own ends.

I think Blair is well out of his depth. He thought if he backed Bush he would be able to influence US policy in future but I reckon Bush will kick him to the kerb when he has had his use of him. Blair thought perhaps his helping Bush would lead to future cooperation from the US on other matters......Think again Tony......They look out for thier own interests and thats all.


Also notice the manipulation of the media. Several rumours of soldiers finding chemical weapons have been released only to be retracted later. The purpose being to keep the public on side and keep the subject of chemicals at the forefront of peoples minds.

You can be sure of four things in light of recent events:
Civilian casulaties are going to rise enormously;
Combatant casulaties likewise;
This will drag on for much, much longer than any of the protagonists had imagined;
And even if the Allies win the War (by no means a certainty at present), they've already lost the Peace. Islam and/or the Arab world will NEVER forgive/forget this ill-considered action. To say nothing of non-participant nations across the globe.

Despite the enormous practical difficulties and the danger of re-opening the debate about the legality/advisability of assassinating heads of state, Marcus was right in saying that the US (or better still, our Special Forces) would have been better off just 'dealing with' Sadaam and his top henchmen.