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Genuinely interested to know at what point a girl appears in so much stuff
that even an avid fan says enough.
How many vids would u buy of that same girl b4 u say "too similar to
the one(s) I've got already"

Or from another viewpoint when (if ever)does a producer say " you're a lovely girl but you've simply been in so much stuff I'm not sure ours would sell well enough"
There are,after all,a finite no. of variations you can do (and I'm talking
basic mainstream h/c here)

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To date I've never seen any more than 10 scenes of any performer purely by choice

I can't imagine buying the entire Roxanne Hall catalogue

The mass production line in the states tends to make me wary of what I purchase

I tend to only buy vids that have a multitude of my favourites thesedays

cheers
B....OZ

See the Australian man's post.

I think it is quite possible to overdose on a particular performer, or 9more likely) a style or genre of porn. I get around this by skillfully earning only enough to buy a limited amount.

I refer you to the post I just made, above this one.

If genuinely erotic feature films were made as they were in the 70s and early 80s, especially in France, and again in the early 90s, again especially in France, the question would not arise to anything like the same extent, as the models would be actresses rather than models. For example, Marilyn Jess made porn films from 1977 to 1987, before gonzo was invented.

I agree that there's a limit to the number of times one wants to watch the same girl perform in near identicial scenes, no matter how attractive she is.

It could be argued that the complaint by some producers (e.g. one made on this site a few months ago by I forget who and can't be bothered to dig it out) about seeing the same faces all the time is a reflection on the lack of talent of those producers (or perhaps of the circumstances which prevent them displaying their talent).

I agree with your sentiments regarding proper acting and eroticism in porno films - one of the reasons folks are losing interest in porno these days is that it is no longer erotic or sexually stimulating. Producers and distributors these days seem to have the idea that an extreme flavour of simple mechanical humping is the only thing that constitutes a porno movie. Maybe they just haven't got the requisite ideas or imagination to make a 'proper' movie? The upshot is that we are now saddled with an absurd version of porno sex that bears little or no relation to the real sex that real people have and consequently the majority of ordinary potential buyers find they have little or nothing in common with it. They cannot identify with it, so they don't buy it.

Some producers might say. "Ah, but porno is about giving punters the sexual fantasies they dream of but don't actually happen to them in real life." And so it is - the only thing they've got wrong is that the vast majority of folks do not have fantasies about gang fucking, ass reaming, DPing and serially bukkaking a pair of unappealing, scrawny, cybersults. As I?ve said before ordinary folks have ordinary (mundane) tastes. They fantasise about shagging buxom Mrs Bizzley acroos the road at number 69. Or the lovely girl in the smart suit who severs them in the Halifax or Natwest. On the whole their desires do not go all that far beyond a simple fuck and suck. Imagining a secret erotic encounter with the object of their fantasies would be more than sufficient convey them to sexual nirvana.

I recall an occasion in the early years of my porno career when I was a Del Boy type geezer driving round in a white van sourcing and punting moody porn films to moody geezers in supermarket car parks. I built up a regular clientele and I remember one particularly moody geezer quiet clearly. He was always after extreme stuff, when everyone else was more than happy with a simple fuck and suck film. Anyway, on one occasion he expressed a keen desire to acquire some 'farmyard' type action and said, "Cor, I bet you have a big demand for that type of gear?" And I thought to myself - Actually no. Only from the likes of you YER PERVY FUCKER! But I kept my own counsel - didn't want to upset him, he was a regular punter.

But I digress. Getting back to lack of talent. I seem to recall someone opining something like that, though I don't think it was me on that occasion - maybe it was 'Jason'? But anyway there are two main objects to making the type of movie alec and many others long for - a total lack of appealing stars (for reasons we have mulled over and will mull over many times) The only current full blown fuck 'n' suck star that I would consider for a good shag film and would be prepared to shell out any dough for would be Sarah Beattie ? I feel she's the only one with any actual sex appeal and that's pretty important in a shag film. I wouldn't want any 'porn performers' in a decent shag movie - except maybe the odd photogenic stud. I would much rather real world participants come along and have real sex rather then putting on an artificial porno 'performance.' It would be totally impossible to make the kind of movie Alec is referring to with the usual suspects, simply because they look like and think 'porn performers, not regular folks. They probably can't act and those that are sympathetic to them will probably be sick of seeing them by now anyway. My producer pals ring me up from time to time and suggest that we make a quality British shag film and of late I have had to reply "No, I'm afraid it's just not on. There are no potential participants available who I would have the confidence to spend good money on or I would care to spend the money on even if I was well-minted enough to consider it a hobby. It would be money down the drain to use the usual suspects."

Then there are the distributors and schedulers. They're all philistines. They just want something cheap to pad their video shop shelves out with or their lack lustre satellite schedules (yet more skinny, sexless, synthetic blondes lads?) Talk to them about quality, eroticism and sex appeal and they just stare back blankly. They haven?t got a clue and they don't care anyway.

So for the time being looks like we're stuck with the ubiquitous goofy geezers with their Dixon?s 'wobblycam' shooting cheap birds in cheap locations doing mildly off-putting, not to mention irrelevant things, to fill in the time that should have been used to build the sexual tension and expectation in an agreeable and imaginative manner as possible.

Dibble.

"But anyway there are two main objects to making the type of movie alec and many others long for - a total lack of appealing stars "

That is a matter of taste and I almost totally disagree with yours. There are some highly erotic (to my taste) Golden Age films that do not contain the likes of Marilyn Jess and Brigitte Lahaie. And in the last few years there have been several British porn performers who definitely can act. I will not name them - either the past French or the present British - as, judging from your previous posts, many would not be to your taste. They'd be too thin and maybe have the occasional tattoo or piercing and not necessarily have large breasts. Since you have said here several times that you don't actually watch much recent porn, I think I am safe in saying that I have more knowledge on this point than you do.

Your statement about 'probably sick of seeing them by now anyway' is the very thing that I was contradicting.

Again the point about DP etc. is also a matter of taste. Though mine excludes bukkake it does not exclude DPs. An erotic film does not have to exclude DPs and the like - whether such acts are erotic or not depends on context.

One of the hazards of posting an opinion in favour of erotica here is that I will be inflicted with guilt by association when you say you agree with me and then go off at a tangent with which I strongly disagree.

And yes, I think it was 'Jason', now that you mention it.

Alec, breaking a long habit of not arguing with Dibble.

"But anyway there are two main objects to making the type of movie alec and many others long for - a total lack of appealing stars "

"That is a matter of taste"

Of course.

"and I almost totally disagree with yours."

Fair enough.

"And in the last few years there have been several British porn performers who definitely can act. I will not name them - either the past French or the present British - as, judging from your previous posts, many would not be to your taste."

Probably not.

"They'd be too thin and maybe have the occasional tattoo or piercing and not necessarily have large breasts. "

Definitely not.

"Since you have said here several times that you don't actually watch much recent porn, I think I am safe in saying that I have more knowledge on this point than you do. "

I give way to your more informed perspective.

"Again the point about DP etc. is also a matter of taste. Though mine excludes bukkake it does not exclude DPs. An erotic film does not have to exclude DPs and the like - whether such acts are erotic or not depends on context."

I?ll grant I am not really a DP fan, but I'm not to put out if a director sees fit to include such a scene. It just leaves me cold. You?re absolutely right about context and that's the problem with most modern porn, not just DP scenes - there usually is no context - folks just seem to be there for no apparent reason, banging the shit out of each other's butts. It's the situation, scenario or context that creates the sexual tension and gives it eroticism.

"One of the hazards of posting an opinion in favour of erotica here is that I will be inflicted with guilt by association when you say you agree with me and then go off at a tangent with which I strongly disagree."

Yes, I know. I'll fess up and admit that it's one of the disreputable tricks my mate P R Man taught me. He's a bit of a geezer and well versed in all that politics, P R and psychology palaver.

"And yes, I think it was 'Jason', now that you mention it."

I knew it. I never forget a well cushty geezer.

"Alec, breaking a long habit of not arguing with Dibble."

Who's arguing? I only joined the thread to give your weight to your assertion that porn films aught to be a bit more erotic.


Dibble.

A recent survey suggested that "YOU" demanded established stars. Inded, as OD says, thay are the biggest sellers.
What of newcomers? fresh new talent? Unheard of young ladies who do their best but get no encouragement?
Some very beautiful ladies habve graced chez moi recently, but only work in the US!

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