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EXCELLENT docu on C4 last night.............theres a LOT of unanswered questions out there. Some articles can be discounted, but the REALLY big ones made me sit up and take notice
With apologies in advance to Bimmercat and Illinois Blue, do you REALLY trust the US government?
And Bimmercat, what do Texans REALLY think of the dodgy Bush family?

A job that 9/11 did superbly, for most governments, was to more or less erase the remaining rights to any banking privacy. This, in turn, had a knock-on effect for many in that a lot of funds were needlessly caught up in the ever-spiralling "necessary" new legislation.
All for an attack that seems more and more dubious every time it's looked into.
And as for "conspiracy" theories, the sad fact is that a lot of the worst ones are true. Human Beings are mere beagles for the powers-that-be to experiment on, and if a few (hundred) beagles are lost on the way, then, hey, that's the price we pay for progress.

surely ace you dont suspect our friends the americans?i dont know about bush but the kennedys were certainly a bit dodgy.

No need to apologise Ace, I don't trust any governments!

(obviously) I didn't see the Ch 4 documentary - I imagine it was Mooreish in tone and examined the many conspiracy theories?

There was a flash animation going round on email recently, about the attack on the Pentagon. I know we're told that it was a plane that hit it, but the photos really don't make that clear.

You'd think that a building as important as the Pentgon would be monitored by CCTV coverage and there'd be proof that it was a plane and not, as widely claimed, some kind of missile.

i dont trust the english goverment really

The Pentagon is thought to be one of the safest buildings on the planet.
Some several hundred cameras trained on it and the area around it......and all we get is a 4 frame gif of an explosion?
My arse.

Another thing, where the fuck was the debris from the plane.
We've all be subjected to images on TV of planes that have crashed with a huge wreck site.
But the Pentagon bypassed the lot. We are led to believe that the wings didn't just shear off, but folded in and went into the Pentagon along with every last bit of it.
Bollocks.


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"A close-up, showing the entrance hole. Note the foam on the glass in the windows above the impact point.
A 100-ton 757 crashed into the wall but did not break the glass in the windows? Wow!"

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On their own those pics raise a lot of questions, BUT surely on the net somewhere is a list of passengers on that fourth plane?

And, presumably, American or United are missing an aircraft?

Great pics Holden, not in the 'one up the arse for the Yanks' but to detail a point they made last night.
The scary bit was certain high officials said the US needed a catastrophic event like Pearl Harbor for it to re-group and become stronger.
Also, someone made some SERIOUS money on the stock exchanges with info about American Airlines before 9/11, and I do mean SERIOUS money

So what happened to that plane that you say did not crash into the Pentagon Holden??
It is the usual crap we are subjected to, you believe what you want to believe or what people want you to believe.
The thing that gets me very upset on this whole thing are that these conspiracy theorists have made a shit load of money out of this bollocks, where there?s muck there?s brass.
From the wife of one of those on board one of the planes that flew into the twin towers that day who was obviously barking mad and basking in her infamy at taking the US Government to court, her words and actions looked a little too staged and choreographed to me, to the expert who claimed that the U.S. government had planted explosions at the bottom of those buildings and that it was a demolition job, how else would these buildings fall in such a manner, eh excuse me mate, how many buildings would not fall to the ground after having a fucking 747 flown at full pelt into the middle of it??

come on guys, did you actually watch and listen to what was being said in this program?

All of the dumb theories were shown to be total bollocks and some are pretty hurtfull to the people who were killed.

I can't believe anyone would take seriously the claim that the pentagon was hit by a missile and all the passengers are now living a secret life in Montana...jeez

Yes a tidy sum was made on the stock market, possibly by a clever terrorist but the ?10-?15 million profit made is peanuts for a WallSt. trader transaction, but as the analyst said, this transaction was just following statistical trading trends.

As for the claim by Retrodon , 'most major conspiracy theories turn out to be true'
er, what, sorry but ALL major conspiracy theories have been proved to the n'th degree to be utter shite (JFK, moon landings etc)