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IV, Wendy ,Amanda Charles et al
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:09 am
by charlie
Recent postings prompt the following.
Sometimes I wonder if your par excell?nce site will ultimately damage the Industry in the UK.
I think that maybe people like IV did not realise just how many people (particularly girls) were involved in the Adult Video scene and through your success they are now realising how active the thing is.
At other times I feel that the more is known about the Industry
the better for all.
At one level, your site helps protect the consumer -and, to some extent, the better side of the industry including the girls. I love it when rogue vendors are exposed and hope your faithful react appropriately by excluding them as suppliers. I also think you provide a very valuable service to the genuine suppliers and producers.
The case which Amanda Charles made recently is a very powerful one. I have said in the past that I believe the girls, no matter how much they are paid, are UNDERpaid. To think that these Pirates further deprive them is disgraceful. (Think of the reaction in "legimate" commerce!) Every possible protection should be given to these British Girls to ensure that their efforts are justly rewarded. After all, there is absolutely no doubt but that British Girls are THE very best in the world. I'm not talking about just US girls here. I include the so-called uninhibited girls from Eastern Europe who seem now to be everywhere. None of these others have the grace, the beauty, the sense of wanting to please and in particular the humour and dignity which the UK girls seem to possess exclusively. It is up to us punters to give them the loyalty and support they deserve.
Charlie.
Re: IV, Wendy ,Amanda Charles et al
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2001 7:38 pm
by Pasta
By and large I agree with you. I would rather pay a fair price for a genuine product and know that the people who made it are getting what is due to them.
The adult industry in the UK is getting more and more open and at an amazing rate, so I think the place of certain individuals (who I won't dignify by acknowledging) will soon be rendered irrelevant by the rate of change.
I totally agree that the girls are underpaid, improving their rates would add little to the cost of the video to the consumer (more to the producer). As has been stated, it's vendors and distributors who make the most.
However, I have to take issue with the comment about British girls vs European girls. This is purely a matter of opinion and I really can't see that it is an opinion that can lead anywhere but to futile circular arguments. I was annoyed by Yanks in RAME making similar generalisations about US girls vs European (UK included), so I'd have to say that I hardly go along with this theory either. There are loads of great girls out there, British and European (well, British is European anyway) and I can't say that nationality comes into it when the little head is doing the thinking! National stereotyping is pointless, really.
I totally respect your right to hold this opinion, so don't feel the need to justify it in anyway, that's your choice - I just don't agree.
[snipped]None of these others
> have the grace, the beauty, the sense of wanting to please
> and in particular the humour and dignity which the UK girls
> seem to possess exclusively. It is up to us punters to give
> them the loyalty and support they deserve.
> Charlie.
Sorry Charlie, thought you were talking about the Royal Family there, but then you did mention beauty! Cheeers,

Re: IV, Wendy ,Amanda Charles et al
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:26 pm
by alec
If you go for personality as well as looks then it helps when the girls speak the same language. Plus given the former (we hope) repression in the UK, it adds a certain spice when the girls are British. How long the latter point will remain valid is doubtful, however.
Re: IV, Wendy ,Amanda Charles et al
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:36 am
by joey
> Sometimes I wonder if your par excell?nce site will ultimately
> damage the Industry in the UK.
An interesting question. But the collection of information here
is just an extension of what has been happening less formally
on the alt.fan.televisionx newsgroup over the last few years.
It's inevitable really, given the internet itself, that people
will use it to pool information about what interests them.
So the real question is about whether the internet itself will
damage the industry.
On the one hand, it is a great marketing opportunity for small independent producers, on the other hand it's also a great marketing opportunity for fly-by-night scam artists. The sudden excess of free flowing information about a traditionally secretive business is going to have unpredictable consequences, undesirable to some.
I think we are already seeing some of these consequences in the current relaxation of the rules about porn, which I put down to the fact that when contrasted with the global standards entirely visible on the internet, it was no longer possible to maintain the facade that the rules were reasonable.
I think in the end, preserving the quality of the information we have access to is going to best further the interests of the consumer and the genuine, talented producers and performers. The ground is shifting under our feet, so to speak, and there will surely be adjustments and casualties as new practices and standards evolve in response to the changing situation - what was an effective marketing strategy 5 years ago may be useless 5 years on; people who played a valuable role by filling a gap in the supply chain caused by the illegality of the product may tend to find their niche has vanished..
The best attitude the industry can take (in my ever-so humble opinion..) is to recognise that they are moving into new territory, that the rules have changed, and then work out where to go from there. My hope is that the change represents a real opportunity for the producers and performers who have created the products that have given British porn its special flavour to reach their audience without going through the monopolistic distribution networks currently available.
Re: IV, Wendy ,Amanda Charles et al
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:15 pm
by Pasta
alec wrote:
>
> If you go for personality as well as looks then it helps when
> the girls speak the same language. Plus given the former (we
> hope) repression in the UK, it adds a certain spice when the
> girls are British. How long the latter point will remain
> valid is doubtful, however.
That point I will grant you Alec, it is always a buzz to see a girl who has posed for British mags like Nici Norman then go on to be a star as Nici Sterling.
But personality can come across without speaking the same language - indeed it can be quite exciting to try to communicate with foreign girls using body language alone, but that's another story...