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redemption
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:32 pm
by sandie
anyone watched the new flick redemption.
having watched this im now all for bringing the death sentence back to the uk.
im also trying to track down the books that were said to be written by williams. anyone have any advice/info.
Re: redemption
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:27 pm
by Jacques
This the fella?
Re: redemption
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:16 pm
by nachovx
Would be a step backwards reintroducing the death penalty in reality. All fine and well if you genuinely have the right man, but pretty unfortunate when the wrong person was convicted - and that seems to happen all the time in the UK legal system. It's easy to say kill somebody, but I wouldn't like being on a jury if I had to make a decision as to whether someon was executed.
Re: redemption
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:36 pm
by steve56
sandie wrote:
> anyone watched the new flick redemption.
>
> having watched this im now all for bringing the death sentence
> back to the uk.
>
> im also trying to track down the books that were said to be
> written by williams. anyone have any advice/info.
>
> iagree it should be brought back but only for bad crime eg murder,rape etc.
Re: redemption
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:26 pm
by sandie
nachovx wrote:
All fine and well if you genuinely have the right man,
> but pretty unfortunate when the wrong person was convicted -
> and that seems to happen all the time in the UK legal system.
30 or so years on death row seems adequate time to appeal and be granted clemancy or aquited. we dont have anything like that here.
they dont execute the offender the next day u know.
i dont know everything about the american justice system and i dare say it has flaws like every other countrys but there system seems to really re educate the majority of offenders. or at least make them think twice about what they are doing in the first place.
i know if im a bad girl here i get a slap on the wrists. in the US - depending what state i could die.
it commands respect.
and yes jacques - thats the guy. was up for nobel peace prize twice.
maybe my opinions are extreme but they are thought out and educated opinions. not just part of the sheep herd.
u may have differing opinions. i dont care.
Re: redemption
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:21 pm
by Deuce Bigolo
For mine the death penalty doesn't do anyone anygood
The victims families & friends will still be suffering no matter what the punishment
Lets not forget there are relations on the perpetrators side as well
Its Life imprisionment without parole for me for the crimes that should never be tolerated....serial killing for example
If your into reasoned debates theres plenty of history here,
and the anti-death penalty lobby have some pretty persuasive arguments here
cheers
B....OZ
Re: redemption
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:36 pm
by nachovx
The US justice service doesn't really work, in some states the biggest industry is locking people up and it generates big profits for private companies. They have a prison population of over 2 million, so it doesn't stop people committing crimes ... it only makes law abiding citizens think twice, not the criminal. The system is biased on race too, 25% of all black males and 16% of Latinos can expect to spend time in prison during their lifetime, while only 4 percent of white males ever go to prison - some people look on it as a new form of slavery, because they need bodies to do the cheap labour on prison farms and in workshops they are hired out to for private profit ... why pay a real employee $6 an hour, when a prisoner can do it for $5 a day. Death Row is cruel and had been condemned by Amnesty and almost every other human rights organisation - if they want the death penalty then it should be carried out in a reasonable time period after conviction/appeals. The only benefit of the US system is it gives ordinary citizens some sense of revenge, knowing violent criminals are incarcerated for a long time ... only problem is all the others who should never have been there, like mothers found to have cocaine in their blood during pregnancy tests and get reported to the police and subsequently jailed for 15-20 years or the girl who unknowingly drove her bf over state lines with drugs and ended up with 20 years inside because of the system - and everyone agrees she's innocent, but judges have no discretion in sentencing in some drug crimes, if you don't (or can't for various reasons) plea bargain and hand over the bigger fish, then you cop the sentence they would have got and all times run consecutively.