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This case, along with the 2 brothers violently arrested in Forest Gate, just proves what an incompetent bunch of buffoons the police force in this country are.
The family of the poor Brazilian slaughtered in cold blood deserve huge compensation (although sadly nothing will bring back their loved one now) and the brothers (one of whom was also shot and lucky not to be killed) deserve compensation for the untold trauma they have had to endure.
ps No one has mentioned the poor onlookers on the Underground train who must have been petrified to see a man pumped full of bullets before their very eyes by the 'crack' team of cowboys that descended upon him.
Two tragedies that could have been avoided with a half decent police force - that clown Blair should do the honourable thing and step down right now.

I totally agree but which clown Blair? Tony or 'Sir' Ian? Both a couple of complete wankers in my opinion.

It did not surprise me in the least that there were no charges brought by the CPS. A totally innocent man shot in the head seven times at point blank range and all the lies said about him running from the police and vaulting over a tube barrier, wearing a heavy and thick coat on a hot day in July, acting suspiciously etc. etc.

British justice best in the world, dont make me laugh its an absolute disgrace what happened to that poor Brazilian lad!!!!

The case destroys any pretence of law and order in this country.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking the Forest Gate business was security service cock-up, which the police are taking the heat for.

As for the Stockwell shooting, I hope the guys who fired the bullets that killed de Menezes can live with themselves.

I'd also like to know what is going to happen to that lying piece of shite who did TV, radio and newspaper interviews with everyone that day telling what he'd seen----all of which was complete bollocks.

I saw the Panorama programme about the shooting last night.
Several aspects of the incident really puzzled me.
There was no explanation of why the police were keeping the block of flats under observation rather than going in and looking for the suspect bomber.
Neither was there any explanation of why they thought the Brazilian was the suspect, they might equally have thought that anybody else leaving the building was.

One thing that really made me angry was the refusal of the Asst. Commissioner to accept that the stated aim to incapacitate by shooting in the head was the same as a policy of shoot to kill.

Mart

Must disagree...the cops shot the wrong guy..but they thought he was a terrorist.Why should a guy go to jail for that..?If it was you that shot the shots would you really think you deserved prison?.The cops will be sorry for their mistake but drag them through the courts..no.Cock up yes.Criminal intent no!The family will be angry sure..but its a crap world sometimes.

For what it's worth I 'feel' for the officers. They do a thankless job.....

We're not dealing with petty criminals, or even criminals threatening to shoot someone. We're now dealing with 'suicide bombers'. They don't give a fuck about innocents, they don't give a fuck about children, but most dangerous of all, they don't give a fuck about themselves.

Q: do you know how many tenths of a second it takes to detonate a primed bomb? It's not James Bond where you have 2 minutes to cut the right wire....

A: do an experiment. Look for a button nearby, or light switch. Go push/flick the button/switch..... There, how long did it take? A fraction slower than an eye blink?

You see, these terrorists aren't like your IRA terrorist who're ready to do jailtime. Oh no......these terrorists want to kill as many people as possible, and if he/she can add 250 police officers to his/her tally -while becoming a maytre- then all the better! They'll be worshipped!

The officer who fired the shot probably had less than a second the best option. Usually these people are trained in reading faces & body language. Is the persons face showing fear or anger? Is that a grimace or a scowl? If it's fear, is he scared of my gun, or because he knows he's about to blow himself up? Is that a mobile phone in his hand or a detonator? (bombs these days can be detonated by mobile phone signals). Is the bomb on his person or is the whole house/flat wired up? Is he cowering because he's scared or crouching to pick something up? Now do I shoot? If so, where? Should I shoot him in the leg/arm/chest knowing he can still trigger a bomb? How about in the head? He'll probably die but I don't want to risk myself and my comrades lives.

Now you're the officer. You have a wife & kids. You have friends too if you're lucky....... You have 249 officers behind you. How many are in the blast radius? How many of those have wife/kids/friends? How many lives have you/they saved on previous operations where everything went smoothly?

How many of us can trust our instincts with less than a second to decide the action you're going to take in such a pressurized situation?

Innocent deaths should always questioned and avoided if possible, but they're unfortunate accidents. The security forces weren't 'cowboys', they were trained officers doing the best they could under very very diffucult circumstances. They we're under more prussure, making the most difficult decisions than 99% of the population ever will.

Unfortunately, they do a job where mistakes cost lives, but it's a very important job what somebody has to do.

Question the lies afterwards, but don't blame men who were doing their jobs as best they could. I can't see them waking up in a morning hoping they get to kill someone........

Most of us were very supportive of the police decision at the time---but that was when we were told he was a bearded Arab wearing a bulky coat and running away from them when they said they were armed officers.

The lies were appalling, the attempted cover-up of the balls-up insulting, and the treatment of the de Menezes family disgusting. Another Blair that's a pathological liar.

I agree that the lies are inexcusable, but I can't comment on Menezes family or how they were treated as I don't know enough of the facts.

I must point out though that not all terrorists are bearded arabs in bulky coats so you can only go on the information you're given regardless of what the suspect looks like.

Algarve addick called the officers involved 'cowboys' so I assumed he was directing his anger at the officers rather than the bullshitters trying to do the clean-up job in the media. I've no problem pointing the finger at the liars, I just don't think our anger should be directed at the people in the line of fire.

Rightly said Fister.
Imagine that your target has been identifed as a bomber. Their job is to take him out. Don't blame the firearms officers because they were only doing their job.
Mike Freeman.

I can only agree with everything that Sam Slater has said above.

The firearms officers have an impossible job, with fractions of a second to decide whether or not to pull the trigger.

Yes it's tragic that an innocent man died. But prosecuting the officers involved would have been counter-productive in the extreme, because it would've effectively stopped other officers in the future from doing their jobs properly.

That's not to say they should go round shooting people willy-nilly. But despite all the talk of them being "cowboys" or whetever (it's easy for us to pontificate and criticise from behind a PC in the safety of our own homes), that's not what happened.

Just imagine the uproar if Menenzes had been a suicide bomber and the police had hesitated, resulting in the deaths of many innocent people - because you can be sure it's only a matter of time before it will be an actual suicide bomber standing on the platform.