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The "war on drugs" does not seem to have included a very dangerous and ever more popular substance. It is far more dangerous than most of the well known ones that the Stones have, for example, survived into their sixties. It is called anabolic steroid and is taken by young men who want good bodies on the fast track'

The downside is that it causes liver, kidney disease and agressive behaviour and because it is injected lays the user open to hepatitis C.
My advice is to train for fitness, look good and feel good. Say no to the pushers for your own sake.
Mike Freeman

I have to dissagree slighty with you there Mike. It is generally ingnorance that causes the problems with steriods. I in my past was a very successful powerlifer And trained clean and competed for years. In the under 75kg weight class I used to squat 260kgs. However some body types do not put on enough weight or muscle repair without certain aids.

However the problem with most steroids taken are taken by the ignorants who do not research the drug they are taking, or come from dubious sources which many are snide and dangerous.
Also the other thing is that you are your own guinea pig when it comes to side effects or problems.

Many of the inncidents that occur through body building are again not the steroids, but the extreme damage done when dieting for a competion.
I have tried in my younger days most steriods on the market, (including finajet and equipoise which were veteranarian drugs, woof woof) some gave me side effects which I came off straight away, but some I have never had a problem with.

I had the honour of serving my apprentership under the instrutions of some of the worlds greatest lifters ever. including the only man I believe to outlift the great Bill Kazmier, (Steve Zetalofsky) appollogise for my shit grammar and spelling. Also Tony Stevens, and Geoff Capes I even had the pleasure of training with.

I entered my first body building show in 1988 under the watch of the athletetic legend, Oscar Heindstein, (again spelt wrong) And was given terrific advice.

I have had the odd bad experience which basically were down to me making mistakes.

However there is much more than just steroids, most of the older men trying to rekindle some youthful spirit are on human growth hormone, which again there are some very dubious sources of this, A course for this will cost you around two grand, without any steriod suppliment.

True too much intake of tablet form steroid can cause liver damage, but with plenty of water intake and no alcohol, it is no worse than drinking. My biggest concern is the freaky use of insulin in combitnation of steriods which has been one of the sbiggest secrets of top body builder.

Many top british bodybuilders are so well doctored and are better than many doctors at knowledge of the human body and how it works.

I would not encourage anyone to take steriods, but there are many like myself whos genetics simply will not allow you to put the muscle on without suppliments. But for those fools who go to a gym for six months and then take the gear are only heading for trouble.

I did about eight years building a great solid natural base. Now twenty three years later I am still training and loving it, lifting weights that still make my eyes pop. And I would not change a thing, It made me the man I am, and I have made life long friends, when you trust your life in your spotters hands you form a great bond.

Hi Marino,

I still work out myself on the weights although these days I go for definition. I did powerlifting as well and used to work out with Keith Prowse. In the nick I won the strongest middleweight title of all the prisons!

I am still fit with a well toned body. I understand what you say but have never take steroids and would never stick a needle in my body.
Regards,
Mike.

Keith,

I disagree with you there. I have been offered stronger substances by dealers when attempting to buy herbal cannabis and I know that some of them want their customers addicted.

However I agree that there should be a free market and that with responsible use one can live to collect your pension.

The reason for prohibition is corruption in high places and the enormous amount of money to be earnt. If alcohol and tobacco are legal then so should all other substances. Prohibition is to fix the market for those paying off the authorities. Those that pass anti drugs legislation are either naive dupes or gaining some pecuniary advantage. It is the same with porn.

The responsibility of the state is to educate the people about the dangers of various mind altering substances not to punish them.
Mike.

Marino,
That should have been Dave Prowse, Darth Vader or the Green man!
Mike.

That's who I thought. he was on radio london not long ago, he has had a fantastic career.

I met Dave in the Sixties when I was chief instructor at a gym in Brixton. Dave used to grab four hundred pounds off the squat stands and press it behind the neck ten times! And that was just a warm- up. A lot of professional wrestlers from Dale Martin's went there, and as you say you make some good male friends in whom you trust. After all, the spotter can kill you anytime in an "accident" in the gym!

A good friend I made was Adrian Street the wrestler. I wonder if anyone knows where he is now. Dave used to work out with Adrian and me as his spotters. When we all used to go down the pub we hardly ever got into any fights! These guys were warriors and looked it. As I said guys that you can rely on.

Mike.

I generally work out for definition, not for bulk or mass.

I do a lot of running, but went through a phase where I let things slip and had to play 'catch-up' on a few weeks of lost training. So I tried fat-burning capsules, a supplement under the umbrella of 'thermogenic stimulators'- i.e. they raise your core body temperature by ONE DEGREE, thus stimulating metabolism and readily breaking down adipose fat into a quick hit of energy. When working out or doing tons of cardio, you sweat buckets. If taking them, say, after a meal, it feels like the central heating is on. Over-the-counter, readily available to purchase.

As Marino said- when it comes to these things unsupervised or without the doc's permission, you are your own guinea pig; the benefits and the drawbacks are discovered on a trial and error basis. On this tenuous basis, it's down to you as an individual to have the sense and character to recognise that something either works or simply doesn't- and act accordingly. The problem exists not with addiction or withdrawal, but with the stupidity of people in moderating the drug they take- the 'too much too soon' scenario, the 'I wanna look great in 3 weeks' set-up. The fatal ignorance of the consequences where it gets to a point where there's no way back.

Anyhoo- God, I'm talking unnecessary pish here, but I'm on a roll.....- this stuff clearly stated on the label that it is not recommended if you are sensitive to caffeine- which I am!- yet, being experimental, I tried them anyway- I know I've got the sense to stop if it's too dodgy.

The benefits were good- I got my fitness and shape back really quickly. Downside- hyperactivity, mood swings........... poor man's cocaine. I saw what was happening and discontinued use immediately. Back to myself.

A bit of a ramble there for a very general point: vanity ain't worth it, as eroticartist states- just say NO.. As Marino highlights, though, when it comes to performance and competition, it probably is a necessity- maybe if you are that committed, you CAN'T say no!; however, I don't think the anabolic steroid is the drug that is the scourge of society....

.......booze wins that title. !drink!

Always consult the doc!!