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Roy Jenkins' 1960s reforms- legalising homosexuality, abortion, reforming borstals. abolishing the birch and the death penalty have come under so much grief from 'conservatives' over the last few years.

However, three Conservative MPs voted for the reforms consistently, through thick and thin and much Party pressure.

One of them- and this is no joke- was....Enoch Powell.

HMS Dibble- fatally holed below the waterline..!wink!

Enoch Powell - what a liberal then?

I don't get it. I have always broadly supported all those liberal Jenkins policies and shall continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Enoch Powell was a very smart man and a free thinker, not weighed down by dogma. He was touted as being a possible future Conservative leader or even prime minister. His fall from grace over a slip of the tongue and a couple of sentences that were taken out of context or blown out off all proportion shows why politicians nowadays are the platitude spouting, mealy mouthed, slime balls we all detest.

Tell you whom I admire (although I recoil from his politics) Dennis Skinner, because he's a genuine working class bloke and he doesn?t give a fuck. If he's a mind to say something he says it, and he isn't bothered if it puts any snotty establishment fucker's nose out of joint. You can trust a bloke like that.


Officer Dibble

Bloody hell Dibs- I agree with 99% of that!

Could it be that you have been unfairly stigmatised on here?

Enoch was right. He wasn't remotely racist, just a visionary who stood for British values when the rest of the planet admired us.

I wouldn't say that the communities were exactly integrated.

[quote]Britain has arguably the best integrated immigrant communities in the world.[/quote]

I disagree with that. I think America and most European countries immigrants, although less tolerant than us, are more integrated into their adoptive homeland.

The Guardian had an article about this very thing where they found that new immigrants here felt less need to integrate due to our more liberal approach on them keeping their traditions and languages. We helped them too much, and were so tolerant that they never needed to adapt, nor felt learning the language was as much of a hindrance as in other EU countries. We see this with Brits abroad. Why bother learning a little French, or Spanish when everywhere you on in Europe, they all speak our language? They've made it too easy for us, so 90% don't bother.

I'll try and find that article out, but I'm sure I've posted it on here before.

Sam Slater wrote:

> The Guardian had an article about this very thing where they
> found that new immigrants here felt less need to integrate due
> to our more liberal approach on them keeping their traditions
> and languages.

But to cite Roy Hattersley, I believe, isn't that the very definition of multiculturalism? France must be the most uniculturalist country in Europe.