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Have things changed so much?

Are we less violent now than in the 60's and 70's? Are we less respectful?

The reason I ask is that all the footy talk got me thinking of football as a youth.

We don't have as much violence these days. Zilch inside grounds. We all sit and want to be entertained, but in the 80's we made our own entertainment.......some went too far, obviously. I don't go to football matches anymore. Not because my team (The Owls) aren't doing too well, but because it's just not the same any more.

Yes I was only a kid, yes I never had my head smashed in, but was violence part of the excitement? Seriously? I remember navigating my way to the ground, heart beating furiously because around the next corner was unknown. I remember getting into the ground and my uncle telling me he'd see me at halftime, outside the bogs. Why? Because all the kids got hoisted above the kop and passed on to the front. We had no choice. We were kids and just went where the crown took us! When we scored, being at the front, you just got crushed and I'd end up going home with the imprint of the cage on my chest. Fucking dangerous thinking back.......but we loved it. In seats you're just an individual, but standing on a kop, you're assimilated into the mass. Anything was possible; it was fucking great.

As for respect: I remember as a kid being on the train with my nan, mum and baby sister. We'd been to Cleethorpes and loads of Grimsby fans got on our train. I'd be about six. They were all pissed up, screaming, swearing and larking about when my nan went up to this skinhead and told him if he didn't stop swearing in front of the kids, she was going to give him a thick ear! For the next our they shut up and gave me toy cars and money - great for me! They were all going out to smash some other persons skull in, but dare not answer back to someone's nan. What would be the outcome these days in simular circumstances? We're less violent as a society -despite what you read on the news- but would a gang of 19-20 year olds be so respectful?

Sam,
Now you would get stabbed. I was amazed that in Amsterdam the children and youth were still respectful of adults and obeyed them. Now the respect has long gone in London but I don't know about up North. The last time I was there I was four years old being evacuated to Yorkshire during the Second World War. Still remember those good folk!
Mike.

Ouch..

Sam Slater wrote:

> Have things changed so much? YES
>
> Are we less violent now than in the 60's and 70's? NO
>Are we less respectful? YES

> but was violence part of the excitement? Seriously? NO

> We're less violent as a society -despite what you read on the news NO we are not.

>but would a gang of 19-20 year olds be so respectful? NO

todays problems boil down to the fact that that now their mindset is that they know all their rights but assume no responsiblity.

As ive said before working on the proverbial frontline our social millstones have gotten worse even within the space of last few years.

Things are radically different

Stephen Fry jokingly hit the nail on the head when he said
"all our problems started with we stopped being violent against children"

I never received that many beatings but the fear of one kept me in check
What is there today?

He's right in that all the power now resides with the teenagers/Kids

One phone call to community services gets them out of home into a flat and money to boot(In Australia obviously)

Single parent families where the mother is poweless to control the aggressive Teenboy weren't exactly common in my day

Lack of decent male role models is where the respect issue really runs off the rails.No father....very few male teachers thesedays that might fill the role so they make their own rules

The problem is lack of dicipline with today's kids,which is manifested by the power being taken away from the School's and the Police by the PC brigade.

I was a child in the1970's where most parents and the Old Bill ruled with an iron fist.Fair enough,i was a mischiefous little git but i knew NOT to cross the line.
In the 70's and 80's we were taught as kids to RESPECT YOUR ELDERS.Old ladies felt safe at night and there were more coppers on the street.

In my School years i did get into a few fights but never would they involve knives or guns.Just a few fisticuffs and you were mates again the next day,or you would just simply avoid each other.

Today's kids have got carte blanche to do whatever they like,why?,because they have the law on their side.
If i was rude to a copper or any elder,a clip round the ear would follow.You would know who's boss.
Today:A clip round the ear is likely to land you being charged with assualting a minor.

Family standards were better as a fellow poster on here pointed out.One parent is not enough to dicipline a child.

One of my first encounters with the Police was at a Chelsea game in 1984.As a 13 yo I decided it was a bright idea to start singing the 'Harry Roberts song'.Basically it's sung to the tune of London Bridge' and it glorify's killing police officer's.This was met with me being dragged from the stands,thrown out of the ground and being cuffed across the ear for all my troubles.
I knew NEVER to sing that song again.

It's the kids calling the shots now,which is a very sad state of affairs !furious!

[Reference:Harry Roberts was jailed in the 1960's for murdering a policeman in London.It is unlikely he'll ever be released]